Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 

I like Phil...He makes sick reads...and VERY SICK laydowns...he makes laydowns that no one in the world could make... Doyle said he is the best tourney player in the world. He said something very interesting in PAD...why would i put my chips in a 2-1 pot as a 2-1 dog when my chips are worth 4-1?

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 

You guys simply don't see the beauty of Hellmuth's game.

In fact, there is a lot of truth in this. He plays a good counterstrategy against aggressive players and he provides an image to encourage people to run him over.

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 

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He plays a good counterstrategy against aggressive players and he provides an image to encourage people to run him over.

[/ QUOTE ] but then he lets them? Its funny that someone with a lot of poker knowledge thinks that by beating a ton of fish and a few good players(he most likely got a huge % of his chips from fish) that hes the greatest NL holdem player in the world.

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 

You know in Super/System when Doyle talks about you can just rob someone constantly, and then even if you get in with the worst of it sometimes, you're still freerolling with all the chips you've stolen from them?

Hellmuth is the guy on the other side.

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 

Hellmuth is one of the strongest tournament players. His big strength is reading amateur players, which is much less useful in high stakes cash games or online.

Typical of Hellmuth to say he is the best, but as someone said if you are the best, you won't say it, other people will say it for you.

Kind of funny for Hellmuth whose father was a dean at U. Wisconsin to act this way, when Ivey and Brunson show a lot more class.

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Kind of funny for Hellmuth whose father was a dean at U. Wisconsin to act this way, when Ivey and Brunson show a lot more class.

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Sometimes children of priviledge are the worst behaved. I think in Ivey's and Doyle's lives they've had a lot more to worry about in the past than a bad beat at the table.

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 

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For those that are serious in defending Hellmuth as a tournament player - please address this:

Why have his WPT results been so mediocre, when a lot of the best tournament players around (by reputation) like Negreanu, S Nguyen, Ivey and Greenstein have done so much better in these events?

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I am kind of curious too... What is Helmuth's track record in WPT events. They have big pots in those events. If he was the best NL Tournament player in the world, it seems like these would be good tournaments for him to play.

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 

Ummmm Hellmuth has made multiple WPT final tables but gets owned when the likes of celebrated donks like Hoytt Corkins make perfect runner runner trips when PH has him dominated preflop and hits his kicker on the flop.

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 

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He plays a good counterstrategy against aggressive players and he provides an image to encourage people to run him over.

[/ QUOTE ] but then he lets them? Its funny that someone with a lot of poker knowledge thinks that by beating a ton of fish and a few good players(he most likely got a huge % of his chips from fish) that hes the greatest NL holdem player in the world.

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Given that the aim of poker is to make money, and the aim of tournaments is not to fancy-play your way to glory but to amass chips, I'm really at a loss trying to figure out why you think that that doesn't make him a good player. Nearly every poker book I've read says "avoid the tough players, play the fish" and you criticise Hellmuth for doing that?

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Ummmm Hellmuth has made multiple WPT final tables but gets owned when the likes of celebrated donks like Hoytt Corkins make perfect runner runner trips when PH has him dominated preflop and hits his kicker on the flop.

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Ummmmm, Hellmuth made one 10K WPT open event final table. If you count invitational and smaller buy ins($3000), the total goes up to a total of 4.
So I give him credit for one WPT main event Final table. He finished 4th.