nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...

Knoooby · #1 11-06-2007, 02:35 PM

hi again, i really like you helping me a bit with this one.

Big-villian is nothing special 20/17 af ca. 2,0

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($50.25)
Hero ($49.25)
BB ($47.05)
UTG ($53.15)
MP ($30.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $1.5, BB raises to $3, UTG calls $3, Hero raises to $9, BB calls $6, UTG calls $6.

Turn: ($28.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $18, BB calls $18, UTG folds.

River: ($64.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $64.50

hero does what? and are the other streets ok?

ps: comleting seems a little nitty but i was not in the right mood for raising there [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

wslee00 · #2 11-06-2007, 03:05 PM

i put SB on 9T, KT, K9. All other hands he could have on the flop, he's raising pf.

tough spot. any bet you make is an all-in, yet I doubt any hands are calling that you beat. i'm inclined to say c/f, but considering how little you have behind, I probably wouldn't give it up, so I just push and pray he has KT.

Hail Eris · #3 11-06-2007, 03:09 PM

Yeah, I would c/f here if it was deeper, but he has less than 1/3 pot left so just stick it in.

Knoooby · #4 11-06-2007, 03:12 PM

ok i see river is tough, thank you very much.

but what about the other streets, are they ok?

Bill Smith · #5 11-06-2007, 03:12 PM

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...so I just push and pray he has KT.

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Villian isn't calling without a queen or boat. I c/c here. He might be inclined to value bet KT if you show weakness. I don't think I can let this go - too much chance you have the same hand or he caught you with KQ.

wslee00 · #6 11-06-2007, 03:13 PM

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He might be inclined to value bet KT if you show weakness.

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no way is he v-betting KT in this spot, but he might call, hence I shove

well named · #7 11-06-2007, 03:14 PM

The river doesn't make you happy, but I think in this spot you can comfortably assume that neither of you are going to fold getting 4:1 (if the other bets) so it really doesn't matter whether you c/c or just put it in. BB's turn call looks very strong, he wants UTG to call, so I think that makes it less likely that he has 2 pair or a set, since he would normally want to encourage UTG to fold a draw (having called twice on the flop), so there is a good chance you may chop, and since you expect BB to raise AQ preflop most of the time you may even see 78 here.

Knoooby · #8 11-06-2007, 03:20 PM

i love you guys thank you, for your quick good advise i will come up with many more hands in the future thanks alot!

well named · #9 11-06-2007, 03:25 PM

I changed my mind, if you assume he is never folding (reasonable, I think) then it's better to bet, since if you check he could check behind worse hands and bet better, which would cost you some EV. In reality this probably doesn't happen much, but from a game theoretic perspective betting should be closer to optimal if you assume both sides are not folding. (There's actually a one-full-street no-folds toy game considered in Mathematics of Poker that reaches this conclusion I believe.)

kurto · #10 11-06-2007, 03:36 PM

your raises are too small.

your raise to $9 when there's 2 callers and already a $9 pot... too small. I'd raise to 11 or 12. If I thought they'd call, I might even push.

Then bet closer to pot on the turn.