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Old 02-25-2006, 02:16 AM
IWEARGOGGLES IWEARGOGGLES is offline
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Default $60 Stars: 2 hands in 24 hours wowowow! Total idiot play inside!

So here is the deal. Opponent is prettymuch a 40/20 complete LAG. He is obsessed with protecting his blinds.

If I call- He may check and why not build a pot when I have a ton more value than his crap holdings?

If I raise to 400-450- He'll come over the top and I'll likely have to fold, as this would tighten his range up (or so I think).

If I push for an absurd amount- Ok, I know there will be a nice differing of opinion here, but I like this play. He will think I'm a weirdo and REALLY open his range. He'll also think I'm trying to bully him around, and that would irk our mean little LAG in said hand. He was truly craz-azy.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB (t2602)
UTG (t2453)
MP (t750)
CO (t3581)
Button (t1729)
Hero (t2385)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2385</font>, BB *bes a LAG*.
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Old 02-25-2006, 02:35 AM
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Default Re: $60 Stars: 2 hands in 24 hours wowowow! Total idiot play inside!

You would have to loosen up his range to over 40% for this to be reasonably +ev. This is a pretty bad push, he made get steaming mad for a second but he is not calling with 22+,A2+,K2+,Q9o+,Q5s+,JTo,J8s+,T9s for all his chips.
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Old 02-25-2006, 02:39 AM
IWEARGOGGLES IWEARGOGGLES is offline
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Default Re: $60 Stars: 2 hands in 24 hours wowowow! Total idiot play inside!

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You would have to loosen up his range to over 40% for this to be reasonably +ev. This is a pretty bad push, he made get steaming mad for a second but he is not calling with 22+,A2+,K2+,Q9o+,Q5s+,JTo,J8s+,T9s for all his chips.

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A couple of those are certainly in his range, but damnit you are right. I suk.
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Old 02-25-2006, 02:41 AM
GodItsMeClark GodItsMeClark is offline
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Default Re: $60 Stars: 2 hands in 24 hours wowowow! Total idiot play inside!

With a stack of ~16 BB, you can afford to fold and then make a move with a better hand in a better (or more desperate) situation.
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Old 02-25-2006, 02:45 AM
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Default Re: $60 Stars: 2 hands in 24 hours wowowow! Total idiot play inside!

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With a stack of ~16 BB, you can afford to fold and then make a move with a better hand in a better (or more desperate) situation.

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Yup, juat lay down QK in the SB of an untouched pot
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Old 02-25-2006, 02:51 AM
IWEARGOGGLES IWEARGOGGLES is offline
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Default Re: $60 Stars: 2 hands in 24 hours wowowow! Total idiot play inside!

Oh well, it made me feel cool, and that's all that matters.

Plus he had AA lolololol.
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Old 02-25-2006, 03:07 AM
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Default Re: $60 Stars: 2 hands in 24 hours wowowow! Total idiot play inside!

vs this player, I don't hate a push here at all.

If he's truly a maniac and will call with any ace (ace whore type), etc., it's pretty much a neutral EV push, and that's the worse case scenario. If you add some lower kings in there like KJ, KT, etc., it's a good push.

If he'll call w/ SNGPT loose range (A9+ kind of thing), it's definitely a worthwhile push.



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Old 02-25-2006, 03:10 AM
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Default Re: $60 Stars: 2 hands in 24 hours wowowow! Total idiot play inside!

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Oh well, it made me feel cool, and that's all that matters.

Plus he had AA lolololol.

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You mean LAGs get AA also? You know what I think of this hand.
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Old 02-25-2006, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: $60 Stars: 2 hands in 24 hours wowowow! Total idiot play inside!

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You would have to loosen up his range to over 40% for this to be reasonably +ev. This is a pretty bad push, he made get steaming mad for a second but he is not calling with 22+,A2+,K2+,Q9o+,Q5s+,JTo,J8s+,T9s for all his chips.

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Are you sure? I get:

call % EV
10% +0.6%
15% +0.3%
20% +0.1%
25% -0.0%
30% +0.1%
35% +0.2%
40% +0.3%

It seems to be -EV, but only slightly, at 22%-26% (33+,A3o+,A2s+,KJo+,KTs+,QJs to 22+,A2+,K9o+,K7s+,QTs+,JTs).

Villain might be in that range, but I still wouldn't call a -0.1% push "pretty bad" especially if you think it will give you an advantage latter in the SNG. (Not that I'm advocating -EV actions for image purposes, just taking minor issue with the "pretty bad" description.)
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Old 02-25-2006, 02:54 PM
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Default Re: $60 Stars: 2 hands in 24 hours wowowow! Total idiot play inside!

I don't get some of the suggestions here. Why if we know the BB is a LAG / partial maniac are we looking to push him out of a pot that is likely to be lightyears ahead of what he would push over the top with? Meaning, are you just trying to steal his blind or are you trying to stack him?

From where I sit, I make my standard 3x raise, and then happily call his over-reacting push with junk. You have a pretty darn good hand for SB vs. BB. Be happy to get it all in with him.

Am I all wet??
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