4/180 two hands in a row, (table image question)

Jamma · #1 12-17-2006, 10:12 AM

I'v been playing quite tightly so far.. Mostly because I'v been running dry.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t6870)
MP3 (t7030)
CO (t5990)
Button (t4635)
SB (t6662)
BB (t3995)
UTG (t3165)
UTG+1 (t6868)
Hero (t6150)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t500, 2 folds, CO calls t500, 3 folds.

Flop: (t1300) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t800, CO calls t800.

Turn: (t2900) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t4690 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: t7590

Not a nice flop for a c-bet, but given my tightness I thought he could give me credit for top pair. Also he's been playing pretty straightforward and instafolding when he doesn't have a hand. Turn is nobrainer, but somewhat important as the rest of the table sees "a weak tight nit folding tptk when faced with a big bet".

Which sets up the second hand:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 (t6870)
MP2 (t7030)
MP3 (t7590)
CO (t4635)
Button (t6562)
SB (t3795)
BB (t3165)
UTG (t6868)
Hero (t4850)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to t500, 2 folds, MP3 calls t500, CO calls t500, 3 folds.

Flop: (t1800) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t1000, MP3 folds, CO calls t1000.

Turn: (t3800) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t3135 (All-In), Hero calls t3135.

River: (t10070) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t10070

So I took the exact same line, and it worked wonderfully. Normally I'd just bet away, but with the last hand fresh in mind I thought this way I'd get the money in.

Now my question is, what makes table image in a 4/180? Do people ever give you credit for being tight and only playing real hands, or do the majority just remember the last few hands? Does the majority really play on the 0th level? At times it feels like I get into most trouble when I assume people think about what I'm holding..

I just recently deposited on stars, and so far I'v had no luck in the 4/180s, basically nothing works for me =P (like, this one time, I flop an oesd from the BB, I threebarrel and miss, and get called down by A9 for an ace high? Deep stacks early on, it seemed like a good idea at the time).

And ofcourse, variance has been a bitch.. So I'm loosing both faith and confidence.

Results in white below: 
Hero has As Ah (two pair, aces and threes).
CO has Ac 3c (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: CO wins t10070. Hero got money in with 95.5% equity
(My intention is not a BBV post in the wrong forum, the hands aren't so interesting, they just highlight the question and the result doesn't really affect anything)

Fiksdal · #2 12-17-2006, 11:28 AM

Both hands are fairly standard.

McMelchior · #3 12-17-2006, 11:50 AM

Hand 1:

I don't like open-raising from EMP with ATs. Chances are you'll be dominated by the hands that are going to give you action. So at best it's a steal, and then you might choose to do it with any two (or at least a hand that will be better disguised if you hit the flop) - at worst you're trapping yourself badly.

Add'lly I think it's too early in the tournament to open for less than full raise. At this level I'll make it 600 or even 700. At this point 2.5BB open-raise is going to get callers with a wide range of hands, and after the flop it's going to be real tough for you to figure out where you are.

And finally I would make a bigger c-bet. There are a shipload of draws out there, and finesse in c-better only pays off against players who pay attention and who's capable of folding mediocre hands and draws. If you haven't seen your opponent do that I suggest a c-bet of at least 1,000 here.

Regarding table image in a $4.40/180: I wouldn't worry too much about it. 90% of your opponents will exclusively be playing their own cards, and even if they have noticed that you rarely enter a pot it's probably not going to stop them from playing the hands they like, whether you're in the pot or not.

SuperUberBob · #4 12-17-2006, 11:54 AM

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Both hands are fairly standard.

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