ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[CardSharpCook]

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mikechops,

I think it is very surprising that you and many others realize that ZJ is willing to bend the rules to maximize his EV in a given situation, yet believe that when his actions lead to situations that let him really capitalize on this cheating, he doesn't take advantage of it at all. ZJ's "I open up more SNGs when I find myself at the same table and then I can't even remember what cards my multiple horses have!!!!" is more pathetic than JJ's Grandma story.

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Despite the low likelyhood of this, I do believe his story.

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why would someone who is willfully and knowingly doing something unethical do anything to "negate his unethical advantage"? isn't that the advantage that he was looking for in the first place?

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Because he doesn't believe the first is cheating while he knows the second is cheating. Not all shoplifters are also armed robbers.

[TomBrooks]

If anyone had looked at ZJs My Space page with a critical eye, they would have been able to tell from his interests that he was up to something.

ZeeJustin's Interests

General: Games of any kind

Music Favorite Bands: Black Lab, Counting Crows, Smashing Pumpkins, A Perfect Circle, Alice in Chains, Dashboard Confessional, Eminem, Fallout Boy, The Killers, Modest Mouse, Nine Inch Nails, The Postal Service, Red Hot Chillie Peppers, Senses Fail, Something Corporate, Sponge, Stabbing Westward, Staind, Story of the Year, Tool, Weezer, Yellowcard

Favorite Movies: American History X, Fight Club, Requiem for a Dream, Pulp Fiction, Donnie Darko, The Usual Suspects, The Terminator

Favorite Television: Sopranos


However, from some of his other interests, it is possible to see that he is capable of turning around and flying right in the future:

Favorite Bands: Brand New, Citizen Cope, Green Day, Incubus, Nirvana, The Offspring, Sparta, The Starting Line, Stone Temple Pilots

Favorite Movies: American Beauty, Braveheart, Good Will Hunting, Shawshank Redemption, Back to the Future, Ghost Busters

Favorite TV Shows: Family Guy

Favorite Books: Brave New World, Theory of Poker

[El Diablo]

CSC,

Again, if you read his statement, I think it's pretty clear he knew it was wrong. He just thought there was enough $$$ value to him that doing that amount of wrong was OK. So, his willingness to cheat is clearly a function of the benefit gained by it. You can connect the dots.

[ononimo]

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Because he doesn't believe the first is cheating while he knows the second is cheating.

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you're a much more trusting man than I am ...

[yabastid]

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Whats the background on the picture?

pretty much 99% of young clubers look like that, atleast here in NYC

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Those are the Gotti retards.

[CardSharpCook]

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CSC,

Again, if you read his statement, I think it's pretty clear he knew it was wrong. He just thought there was enough $$$ value to him that doing that amount of wrong was OK. So, his willingness to cheat is clearly a function of the benefit gained by it. You can connect the dots.

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Good argument. However, I live and die by my "reads" and I'm sticking with this one.

[Blarg]

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These actions are in my opinion borderline gray areas, but the honest truth is the sites are better off acting the way they have. To create a situation where it's acceptable to blurr the line is dangerous for the tourneys.

The fact of the matter is, even if these guys play 2 or 3 accounts the likelyhood that they end up at the same table in a 500 player event let alone a 5000 player event is relatively small. Also keep in mind there is diminished rewards with each additional account they play. Let's say first place in a $200 tourney is $100k and 2nd is $60k, they can get a 500x return on the first $200 buy in, and only have the opportunity for a 300x return on the second. As you can see there is an inherent cost associated with playing multiple accounts. In my opinion this cost exceeds any edge they may gain in the unlikely chance that two of their acounts wind up at the same table. I personally don't care too much if a player plays multiple accounts in the big multi tourneys cuz in my eyes 99.9% of the time it just adds to the prize pool. As a common practice it does however become a problem in small tourneys less than 100 people.

Like I said however, I agree with the web sites taking a strong stance against the practice, because it becomes dangerous not to. There are too many habitual line steppers out there, most of which need to be on a leash and this policy does just that.

I don't however consider Justin one of these players.

On Justin's behalf, I know the kid very well, and have grown to have much respect for him as a person, player and friend. I've been 3 handed with him in $1k sng's many times, and even tho we communicate on Instant Messenger, NEVER has he suggested any foul play (if anything that would be a convenient time no?). At the end of the sng's he usually goes completely quiet. While he can be a little brash, I think he's a good kid he was just trying to maximize his winnings in a grey area that until recently appeared to be acceptable behavior.

-Ed Moncada

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Grey area? Appeared acceptable to whom?

I'm not with you on this one.

I don't think multiple accounts have any necessary negatives in and of themselves, but in how they are used. Using them in the same tourney or on the same table is about as far from a grey area as you can get, to any reasonable person.

I don't think you'd have any problem whatsoever getting agreement on that from the overwhelmingly vast majority of players and non-players alike.

In short, I think it's moral disingenuousness and gamesmanship to plead any different.

[nincomepoop]

Ebert and Roper give it 2 thumbs down....

[shaniac]

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CSC,

Again, if you read his statement, I think it's pretty clear he knew it was wrong. He just thought there was enough $$$ value to him that doing that amount of wrong was OK. So, his willingness to cheat is clearly a function of the benefit gained by it. You can connect the dots.

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I believe ZeeJustin was operataing under the influence of Gorden Gecko's "Greed is good" maxim, and there was no moral calculus beyond that. Also, he was operating in an ethical environemnt that many people--including respected posters on here--said was perfectly fine to operate under.

Also, I don't believe creating a widespread snitching operatin is the answer. I knew of many people who were doing this (I never asked for details and had no idea that people would be brazen enough to enter 6 accounts in a tournament, but that's actually irrelevant) and would never consider telling on anyone, friend or enemy.

[FakeKramer]

Best photoshop job yet.