ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

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so zeejustin is a cheater! why does everyone act so shocked? poker is a filthy game full of shady characters. Poker is not a gentlemen's sport, poker is not golf, poker is not tennis. Zeejustin is just 1 name linked to cheating added to the list of doyle brunson, men the mastser, sammy farha and countless other famous poker pros.

For every Dan Harrington doing it the hard way fighting to survive using his skill and talent, we have some players getting chips dumped to them by their stable. Their stable is never the same, so there is no way of proving it since in every tournament they use new players (in live tournaments). In online tournaments you can have friends from your same town dump chips to you in mtts. It is so easy and more prevalent then people think.

Just the way it is.

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Russ Georgiev, is that you?

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Just to end all of the baseless curtains blaming:

On December 18, 2005 on a private forum curtains made the following post:
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There is a common trend among people to use multiple accounts when they play in a multitable tournament. There are many reasons why this is a disgusting and unethical practice but they often use excuses like "oh ill sit out if it happens to me" or "Oh Ill make sure it won't affect my play" or blah blah. But ok what do you do if you have something like Kxh and your "alter ego" has the ace of hearts...now you know you have the nut flush draw, you cannot unknow this knowledge and it can theoretically affect gameplay in your favor. In any case the advantages are relatively small, assuming you don't plan to abuse things if you find yourself at the same table as yourself, however there are still advantages nonetheless.

I just want to make a blanket statement that if I know of anyone who does this on a regular basis, I will lose all respect for you. You are stealing my money everytime I enter the same tournament as you, and I will have nothing to do with you in any way whatsoever should I find out that this is a common tactic you use in online play.



PS - This thread was brought about by a player who randomly decided to tell me that he planned to use 3 accounts to play a big tourney tomorrow. I know this player isn't the only one to do this, and I wish it was frowned upon a lot more than it is.

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FYI the PS was not referring to ZJ either.

[Ungoliant]

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George Brett did not use a corked bat. He had pine tar (an adhesive used on bat handles) too far up the bat, which gave him NO ADVANTAGE.

moses

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I've deleted the offending post. I was five at the time. My apoligies to Mr. Brett and his fans.

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Sorry. I've gotten grumpy because this I ran out of popcorn with this thread. I was 13 at the time and living in Kansas City. It was a BIG DEAL. Everyone in KC still remembers where they were when it happened. No [censored].

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I imagine there isn't much else to remember in Kansas.

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But at least we know basic geography.

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nh

[PuertoKid]

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All,

This is an over looked factor. Even if ZJ was paying taxes on all of these winnings, its possible that he has been paying them in 6 different names, which would make his taxes signifcantly less then they should be because of the escalating tax rate.

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Hey, this is a significant post that seems to have been lost in the noise.

Since Justin's accounts were not all within the same tax paying family unit, it would interesting to know his funding mechanism. If any of the funding accounts were under the names of his relatives, and money flowed to their accounts, they probably have to report gambling income. If any of them opened a neteller account in their name to help Justin, and the account ever had $10k or more in it during the year, they are legally required to fill out a form saying such. That will often trigger an audit in and of itself.

Things can get very complicated at this point. Money flows to and from other people's accounts, but it is Justin's money. Wow, how do you sort out the taxes for this without having broken some kind of tax law?

Now, if there were no independent funding mechanisms, then Party has very seriously fallen down on the job. If all the money was being handled via account transfers, or from the same neteller account, they should have caught this a long time ago.

If the taxman starts following the money trail, Justin and his family and friends who participated may be in for some serious problems.

Ugh. I don't wish those kinds of problems on anyone.

[El Diablo]

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I would also like to point out that the type of rationalization/explanation that Justin uses is the exact same sort of thing that easily leads to "eh, all my buddies are sharing their hole cards, it's not that bad and very small +EV knowing that, so hey i folded A3h, what you guys have?" to "eh, why should we bust each other out in this sat w/ 5 seats when there are two randoms who are short too? ok, let's not attack each other's blinds, but let's not cheat" to "hmm, wow, i am huge chipleader but my buddy is on life support and almost at bubble, ok, lemme double him up so he will get me next time" to who knows what else.

I posted in this thread that ZJ's moral compass was clearly off. And his guiding principles seem to be gems like: "Most of us are too greedy to pass up money that easy."

Hopefully, this time, ZJ will actually learn something from this experience and accept responsibility, rather than continuing to attempt to rationalize his cheating.

[Bud Light]

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Just to end all of the baseless curtains blaming:

On December 18, 2005 on a private forum curtains made the following post:

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There is a common trend among people to use multiple accounts when they play in a multitable tournament. There are many reasons why this is a disgusting and unethical practice but they often use excuses like "oh ill sit out if it happens to me" or "Oh Ill make sure it won't affect my play" or blah blah. But ok what do you do if you have something like Kxh and your "alter ego" has the ace of hearts...now you know you have the nut flush draw, you cannot unknow this knowledge and it can theoretically affect gameplay in your favor. In any case the advantages are relatively small, assuming you don't plan to abuse things if you find yourself at the same table as yourself, however there are still advantages nonetheless.

I just want to make a blanket statement that if I know of anyone who does this on a regular basis, I will lose all respect for you. You are stealing my money everytime I enter the same tournament as you, and I will have nothing to do with you in any way whatsoever should I find out that this is a common tactic you use in online play.


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PS - This thread was brought about by a player who randomly decided to tell me that he planned to use 3 accounts to play a big tourney tomorrow. I know this player isn't the only one to do this, and I wish it was frowned upon a lot more than it is.



FYI the PS was not referring to ZJ either.

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So you ************ have a forum where you discuss cheating? And curtains did know that this was going on and didn't report it? Sounds like a helluva group of guys you hang with.

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Clearly putting Cheater as his title was hilarious and entirely appropriate.

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FYP

[William]

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so... what happens to ZJ now?

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No present, no honor, no reputation, no compassion, no future, no nothing.

FINISHED, OVER, KAPUTT.
ONCE A CHEATER, ALWAYS A CHEATER !!!

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So you [lloyd fixed it] have a forum where you discuss cheating?

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wow just wow.

[bocablkr]

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Just to end all of the baseless curtains blaming:

On December 18, 2005 on a private forum curtains made the following post:
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There is a common trend among people to use multiple accounts when they play in a multitable tournament. There are many reasons why this is a disgusting and unethical practice but they often use excuses like "oh ill sit out if it happens to me" or "Oh Ill make sure it won't affect my play" or blah blah. But ok what do you do if you have something like Kxh and your "alter ego" has the ace of hearts...now you know you have the nut flush draw, you cannot unknow this knowledge and it can theoretically affect gameplay in your favor. In any case the advantages are relatively small, assuming you don't plan to abuse things if you find yourself at the same table as yourself, however there are still advantages nonetheless.

I just want to make a blanket statement that if I know of anyone who does this on a regular basis, I will lose all respect for you. You are stealing my money everytime I enter the same tournament as you, and I will have nothing to do with you in any way whatsoever should I find out that this is a common tactic you use in online play.



PS - This thread was brought about by a player who randomly decided to tell me that he planned to use 3 accounts to play a big tourney tomorrow. I know this player isn't the only one to do this, and I wish it was frowned upon a lot more than it is.

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FYI the PS was not referring to ZJ either.

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If this is true, then let me be among the first to apologize to curtains for any insinuations I made. I did not say he cheated but only that it would have been wrong to not say anything if he did know. I commend his comments here.