Ahmadinejad Ground Zero request - Page 9

John Kilduff · #81 09-22-2007, 06:58 PM

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anyways I will say that the US does need Iran to help in Iraq. So its gotta be a little nice to them.

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Yesterday Iran held a military parade with its new longer-range missiles.

Here are a few excerpts from the article on Yahoo! News:
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"The parade was marked by a litany of slogans calling for "Death to America" and "Death to Israel." ...

Israel should be eliminated" and "No Iranian Muslim, no Muslim recognises Israel," were among the slogans borne on the back of military vehicles, quoting the words of Iran's revolutionary founder Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini...

"Israel has to be wiped off the map," read another Khomeini quote which aroused worldwide controversy when it was repeated by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in 2005."

Not sure what you think is an appropriate response when someone calls for your death or the death of your country, but my first thought isn't "to be a little nice to them". Iran has been doing this kind of stuff ever since their Islamic Revolution under Khomeini, not to mention more recently being behind some deadly attacks in Iraq on Americans.

To everyone who thinks the USA should bend over backwards "to be nice" to Iran, what ever happened to the concept of reciprocity? Iran perpetually gets to issue highly belligerent statements, but the U.S. is expected to "be nice" ???

Maybe the State Department should reciprocally issue a statement saying that the next time the Iranian government makes the public statement "Death To America!" the USA will adopt as its slogan "Death To Iran!" Or maybe that the next time they issue that statement, the USA will consider that an official Declaration of War. OK so that's an exagerration but you get the idea.

And this is coming from someone who thinks the USA should be out of Iraq and that the Iraq War was a gigantic mistake!!! But I'm getting sick of this crap...and I'm starting to think that the Iranian government should be called on the carpet.

Well...I also think ratcheting UP the rhetoric might actually be more likely to avert a coming war with Iran than toning down the rhetoric. I think if things continue on present course it is 90% certain that the USA and/or Israel will be bombing Iran before Bush leaves office. Maybe if the Iranians were to become aware that the fire they are playing with is about to burn them, they'd have second thoughts. But they aren't going to have second thoughts if diplomacy continues in toned-down speech mode. And that means they will be caught by surprise by the bombing-to-come, because (IMO) it really is on the way.

Sometimes playing nice-and-polite is good and sometimes it isn't. IMO this is one of the times it would be more conducive to peace to let the Iranians know how thin the ice they are standing on really is. And that more means plain speech than nice words, because IMO the administration's intentions aren't likely to change on this matter (I don't claim to actually know the administration's intentions but I suspect I have a pretty good guess. France too recently issued a statement about preparing for war with Iran. The political and logistical planets do seem to be coming into alignment).

Just my take, and thanks for reading.

j555 · #82 09-24-2007, 02:24 PM

He's on now and not surprisingly some of what he says makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's the monster that the media makes him out to be. And anything that the Bush Adminstration says against him should be taken with a grain of salt. They've either been flat out wrong or purposley misled us on so many things. I don't trust what they say one bit.

Chips Ahoy · #83 09-24-2007, 02:44 PM

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He's on now and not surprisingly some of what he says makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's the monster that the media makes him out to be. And anything that the Bush Adminstration says against him should be taken with a grain of salt. They've either been flat out wrong or purposley misled us on so many things. I don't trust what they say one bit.

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Read this from Scott Adams and your doubts will be strengthened. I sometimes see an Iranian representive on TV (Charlie Rose for example). They are always extremely reasonable. At the least, Iran has people who understand how to speak to an American audience.

sightless · #84 09-24-2007, 02:54 PM

No gays in Iran. nice

Howard Beale · #85 09-24-2007, 03:23 PM

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No gays in Iran. nice

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You beat me to it. CNN.com

Asked about widely documented government abuse of women and homosexuals in his country, Ahmadinejad said, "We don't have homosexuals" in Iran. "I don't know who told you we had it," he said.

lol at anybody thinking they can talk to a person like this. When the Imams kick him out and install someone who isn't a caricature then they can be talked to.

kurosh · #86 09-24-2007, 03:27 PM

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He's on now and not surprisingly some of what he says makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's the monster that the media makes him out to be. And anything that the Bush Adminstration says against him should be taken with a grain of salt. They've either been flat out wrong or purposley misled us on so many things. I don't trust what they say one bit.

[/ QUOTE ]Sounds about right. I hear things direct from family in Iran and it's amazing how things are "translated" over.

kurosh · #87 09-24-2007, 03:30 PM

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No gays in Iran. nice

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You beat me to it. CNN.com

Asked about widely documented government abuse of women and homosexuals in his country, Ahmadinejad said, "We don't have homosexuals" in Iran. "I don't know who told you we had it," he said.

lol at anybody thinking they can talk to a person like this. When the Imams kick him out and install someone who isn't a caricature then they can be talked to.

[/ QUOTE ]That article is lol. I can't believe how much they misrepresent what he said. Everything is skewed to make him seem like a monster and huge explanatory portions are left out.

There are no open homosexuals in Iran.

Howard Beale · #88 09-24-2007, 03:38 PM

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No gays in Iran. nice

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You beat me to it. CNN.com

Asked about widely documented government abuse of women and homosexuals in his country, Ahmadinejad said, "We don't have homosexuals" in Iran. "I don't know who told you we had it," he said.

lol at anybody thinking they can talk to a person like this. When the Imams kick him out and install someone who isn't a caricature then they can be talked to.

[/ QUOTE ]That article is lol. I can't believe how much they misrepresent what he said. Everything is skewed to make him seem like a monster and huge explanatory portions are left out.

There are no open homosexuals in Iran.

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There's a good reason.

What I don't get is why anybody wants to give this guy a pass. Just because GWB is understandably mistrusted doesn't mean that Ahmadinejad is not reprehensible.

W brad · #89 09-24-2007, 03:42 PM

Did you hear the thunderous applause from the students when the dictator complained about how he was introduced as a holocaust denier?

Holocaust denial must be acceptable now. So says the Columbia University student body.

j555 · #90 09-24-2007, 03:46 PM

No, he was applauded because Bolinger was completely out of line in bashing him before he even got to speak, calling him a "cruel dictator." Ahmadenijad had a nice response basically saying that you shouldn't invite someone to speak and then bash him before he even gets to speak. I thought that he did admit that the Holocaust happened in Europe during his speech. He was saying that we shouldn't stop researching it. Even if he denies the Holocaust happened is it a reason to go to war? Is he a bad guy? Maybe. But there's no reason to go to war with Iran because he's a bad guy. We support other dictators in the Middle East and do nothing!