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09-07-2007, 09:23 PM
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Re: X-Post: Man arrested for not showing officer his License
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Because every liberal idiot who thinks they are cleverly going to stick it to the man files a frivolous lawsuit that they were responsible for, and tie up the courts, and slow down society. [/ QUOTE ] Do you have any clue why a lawsuit is happening in the first place? The cop asked to see his ID, he said he'd just give his name (and he also gave him the receipt). The cop then placed him under arrest. Then he inspected the bag and saw that this guy hadn't stolen anything. He still took him down to the station and charged him with a crim. Regardless of how douchebaggy you think this guy is, the "frivolous lawsuit" will occur because a police officer severely overstepped his boundaries. [/ QUOTE ] The police officer overstepped his boundaries because captain america decided to break the social norm of an innocent person and act like a criminal. If the officer doesn't interpret radical liberalism like I do, he would come to the reasonable conclusion when arriving at this situation that this guy is stealing something, and act accordingly. Instead of expressing his concern with their policies in a civil way, he chose a method that would embarrass the employees and make himself look like a martyr, from his perspective. This is the standard operating procedure for pussy liberals in this country, passive aggressive, and then when they meet aggressive-aggressive and wind up getting their ass kicked or thrown in jail, they file said frivolous lawsuits. They knowingly evoke responses, and then try to exploit them for moral or financial gain. and if you think i exude partisan hate, I am not a conservative, I am more libertarian than anything. I just hate idiots who do stupid things to make a point and act out of principle when it inconveniences and hurts everyone around them. It's good that he traumatized his nephews and they got to see him cuffed and tossed in a cop car just because he had to make a point. Way to be a responsible adult. [/ QUOTE ] So it doesn't bother you that the cop arrested him and never charged him with shoplifting? As in, the cop never ACTUALLY suspected shoplifting (your claim) but instead suspected assholery, and had no idea what the law was (you don't have to show a drivers license) and then arrested him anyway. This doesn't bother you? EDIT: Also, not entirely sure you know what passive-aggressive means. The guy didn't piss in the cop's coffee when he wasn't looking, he simply refused to submit to an unlawful search. And he went to jail for it. What would aggressive-aggressive be, beating the cop to death? [/ QUOTE ] from wikipedia: Passive-aggressive behavior refers to passive, sometimes obstructionist resistance to following authoritative instructions in interpersonal or occupational situations. It can manifest itself as resentment, stubbornness, procrastination, sullenness, or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is assumed, often explicitly, to be responsible. It is a defensive mechanism and, more often than not, only partly conscious. For example, people who are passive-aggressive might take so long to get ready for a party they do not wish to attend, that the party is nearly over by the time they arrive. [/ QUOTE ] I accept your retraction. 
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#83
09-07-2007, 09:24 PM
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Re: X-Post: Man arrested for not showing officer his License
It seems to me that a store should be allwoed to have the policy that they search their customer's bags before they leave. If you don't like it, don't shop there.
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#84
09-07-2007, 09:29 PM
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Re: X-Post: Man arrested for not showing officer his License
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It seems to me that a store should be allwoed to have the policy that they search their customer's bags before they leave. If you don't like it, don't shop there. [/ QUOTE ] Correct. Had this store barred him from the premises, none of us would be saying anything. Instead, they prevented him from leaving. These are HUGELY different situations. Forcibly detaining someone (or physically preventing them from leaving) is an egregious breach of personal freedoms. And thats not even getting into the whole "cop arresting guy for failing to show his papers" thing.
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#85
09-07-2007, 09:34 PM
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Re: X-Post: Man arrested for not showing officer his License
hey vhawk, reading comprehension ftw.
Passive-aggressive behavior refers to passive, sometimes obstructionist resistance to following authoritative instructions in interpersonal or occupational situations. The guy didn't piss in the cop's coffee when he wasn't looking, he simply refused to submit to an unlawful search. (unlawful being your opinion)
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#86
09-07-2007, 09:50 PM
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Re: X-Post: Man arrested for not showing officer his License
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hey vhawk, reading comprehension ftw. Passive-aggressive behavior refers to passive, sometimes obstructionist resistance to following authoritative instructions in interpersonal or occupational situations. The guy didn't piss in the cop's coffee when he wasn't looking, he simply refused to submit to an unlawful search. (unlawful being your opinion) [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, some of the words in your definition fit, but most of them did not. What he did could not possibly be considered passive-aggressive behavior by the definition you posted. Even still, a better question would be why did you use passive-aggressive as a pejorative? If what he did really WAS passive-aggressive (which it wasn't) then so what? It was clearly the right thing to do. I ask you again, what is the aggressive-aggressive solution to this problem? Beat the cop with a tire iron? Shoot and kill the store manager? He wasn't sniping at the guy behind his back, he wasn't being obstinate, sullen, stubborn, he wasn't procrastinating, and he didn't fail to accomplish any task that he was responsible for. Or did you neglect those parts of your definition in favor of the "sometimes obstructionist resistance" part? Also, he was not "only partly conscious" of what he was doing, which is pretty fundamentally important to passive-aggressive behavior. He took a calculated, measured stand in defense of his rights. It is absurd to consider this passive-aggression, and even more absurd to insult this guy. He just made all of our lives a tiny little bit better, at some personal cost to himself. I'm not trying to be melodramatic here, and when I say tiny I do mean tiny, but I for one am very glad he acted the way he did. The purpose of passive-aggressive behavior is to AVOID confrontation. That is the exact opposite of what he did.
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#87
09-07-2007, 10:07 PM
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Re: X-Post: Man arrested for not showing officer his License
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The purpose of passive-aggressive behavior is to AVOID confrontation. That is the exact opposite of what he did. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly, instead of passively seeking an aggressive measure (secretly pissing in coffee)....this guy aggressively sought out a passive measure. (made a big deal over a small issue, without resorting to force) If that makes any sense. FWIW, the store can ban you if you don't agree to their terms, but they certainly cannot confront you off premises (in the parking lot) and forcibly detain you without probable cause, much less without even probable suspicion. The Po-po could have detained him for an investigative hold pending the results of the reciept/search, which his probable suspicion being based on the LP's assertion that the man was a thief (albeit a false assertion), and then subsequently arrested him on public disturbance for refusing to cooperate, and/or a variety of other reasons not specifically related to his failure to produce an ID. That most likely isn't exactly how it played out, but you can bet the copper is going to make it sound like that was his thought process in justifying the charge. Lastly, no one has bothered to mention that we are basing all this speculation on the story of only one side, and I'm sure there could be some embellishment, exaggeration, or missing details to make his story seem more in his favor. If it turns out that the man was shouting obscenities or acting a complete fool once the cop showed up, the public disturbance is going to stick, and it could be completely unrelated to the failure to produce his identification.
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#89
09-07-2007, 11:22 PM
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Re: X-Post: Man arrested for not showing officer his License
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from wikipedia: Passive-aggressive behavior refers to passive, sometimes obstructionist resistance to following authoritative instructions in interpersonal or occupational situations. [/ QUOTE ] The person here didn't resist following any authoritative instructions. The circuit city guy didn't have any authority to check his bag. The cop had no authority to demand his drivers license. Since neither person issuing instructions had any authority, the instructions could not possibly be authoritative.
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#90
09-07-2007, 11:53 PM
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It seems to me that a store should be allwoed to have the policy that they search their customer's bags before they leave. If you don't like it, don't shop there. [/ QUOTE ] Regardless of whether or not this is the store's policy, what right does the store have to detain you if you don't comply? Violating a store policy does not cause you to suddenly lose all of your civil rights. The store's remedy for those who do not obey their policies is to inform these people that they are no longer permitted on their property. If these people return to the store, they can be charged with trespassing.
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