Breaking development: Pokerstars to be sued for cheating

[Kermit]

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LOL of course MT2R is leveling everyone. His method is great though.

I'm also getting a feeling FGators is the man behind http://pokerconduct.com

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more evidence from Pokerconduct.com

Here's a post from thepokerproject.com from a programmer:

POKERSTARS.COM HAS PAID PROGRAMMERS TO RIG THE FLOPS!!!

This site is rigged. No doubt about it. I am a programmer and know programmers that have helped develop this site.

The site is rigged so that the fish keep playing. There is a rating system. If you become to good and win a lot of games, you will lose no matter what you have. It's programmed in the game.

The game is designed to stop the sharks from winning on a regular basis, because they make most of their money from the fish. This is how the program works:

Once a flop is made at Poker Stars, they look at all of the players rankings. If you won a lot of games or made money, your ranking will be lower. This is why someone with 6-2 will beat A-A every time. Haven't you noticed when you just can't win with anything?

It is designed in the software, to get cards not dealt from the deck, to help make the players win. It's called the backdoor. 90% of their money comes from fish, If the sharks were winning all the time, the fish would quit.

This site is rigged based on the program and it is also programmed to have exciting flops (action flops). This is all by design. Don't you notice when two people are all in, one with A-A and the other with 10-9. The flop will come J-8-K to add excitement to the game. As a programmer to the general public, I just want you to know that all of the sites are rigged. BEWARE!

stockman27

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No, they pay people to analyze PokerTracker data and perform regression analysis for users who are genuinely concerned. It goes like this (in order of emails sent):

1) Send the guy a "bad beat" template
2) Send the guy all the hands he's played in the past three months, show the All-in PF performance, flush/straight draws, hand distributions, explain standard deviation and how he is well within the norm
3) Send the guy all of his hands played from day 1
4) Debunk his claims about other non-randomness

I'd also be interested in MT2R's data, because he's definitely not an idiot. It would be challenging. FGators, on the other hand...

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Wait so can we get all of fgators' data and just dump it into a PT database

[SABR42]

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Fgators is unable to find a lawyer who accepts FPPs

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Excellent.

[realjaydub]

lol at the mods throwing around the word moron.

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lol at the mods throwing around the word moron.

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to be fair, your posts in this thread have been pretty stupid

[Sphere99991]

Any claim that a poker site is rigged is so ridiculously absurd that I can't believe people actually take it seriously. Of course we all scream "[censored] rigged!!" when we lose AA to 62, but its not like we are statistically unbeatable.

And how would you go about proving rigged-ness? Giving a list of 500,000 bad beats? You all laugh at sample size when some posts a massively winning graph over 10K hands. 500,00 bad beats over what, 20 billion dealt hands in poker? 50 billion? I don't know what the total number is, but it is on that order. No sample set that you have is even remotely reasonable.

Secondly, why would a poker site rig? It has no incentive. You can create all the conspiracy theories you want, but it has no incentive. PokerStars will get users no matter what happens. Don't think you're so hot that they need to keep reeling you in, they don't give a [censored] about you.

As for stockman's post, wow. Keep spouting nonsense out of your ass. None of what you wrote makes any sense, and I dare you to try to prove any of it.

[realjaydub]

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lol at the mods throwing around the word moron.

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to be fair, your posts in this thread have been pretty stupid

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Yes, it's pretty stupid to ask for actual proof rather then some autoreponsed email that's been used to death.

Stupid or not, flinging insults is lame.

[realjaydub]

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Any claim that a poker site is rigged is so ridiculously absurd that I can't believe people actually take it seriously. Of course we all scream "[censored] rigged!!" when we lose AA to 62, but its not like we are statistically unbeatable.

And how would you go about proving rigged-ness? Giving a list of 500,000 bad beats? You all laugh at sample size when some posts a massively winning graph over 10K hands. 500,00 bad beats over what, 20 billion dealt hands in poker? 50 billion? I don't know what the total number is, but it is on that order. No sample set that you have is even remotely reasonable.

Secondly, why would a poker site rig? It has no incentive. You can create all the conspiracy theories you want, but it has no incentive. PokerStars will get users no matter what happens. Don't think you're so hot that they need to keep reeling you in, they don't give a [censored] about you.

As for stockman's post, wow. Keep spouting nonsense out of your ass. None of what you wrote makes any sense, and I dare you to try to prove any of it.

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They are trying now.

I'm not saying they are or aren't. It's silly to accept the opinions of some as fact.

[apefish]

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This site is rigged based on the program and it is also programmed to have exciting flops (action flops). This is all by design. Don't you notice when two people are all in, one with A-A and the other with 10-9. The flop will come J-8-K to add excitement to the game. As a programmer to the general public, I just want you to know that all of the sites are rigged. BEWARE!

stockman27

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So the action flops in this example aren't to increase rake/play, because by being all in that in many/most instances has been maxed.
So this fine piece of "rigged" programming by stars would be to give the players in the hand potential wood, or the railtards something to shout about.

Okay makes perfect sense, please continue.

[kyleb]

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Wait so can we get all of fgators' data and just dump it into a PT database

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Tell FGators to ask for it and to make all of his hand histories public, and yeah, it can be done. He has to release permission, of course.