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#83
10-18-2005, 03:10 AM
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Re: PSA
people dont hand out money. if you provide a good or service, you can receive money for it. i thought this forum could do just that [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] take from that what you will.
edited for: this is the second most viewed forum on 2p2 most of the time. and we arent plastered all over it. we wanted to provide space on the internet to discuss rakeback and affiliates. mind you, we provide space for our direct competition to advertise....once again, take from that what you will. 
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#84
10-18-2005, 03:12 AM
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Re: PSA
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isnt that the point of running a business and purchasing advertising? [/ QUOTE ] Well, apparently you've heard of http://www.donateyourrakebacktochari...itorganization whichgives35percentofyourraketotheunitedwayandther edcross.com
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#85
10-18-2005, 03:23 AM
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Re: Anybody seen my Empire Affiliate Busterstacks
Buster sees his players as "customers" -- he is in a business offering a service for a fee (the service is RB; the fee is the margin he takes). The market shifted under his feet -- he wasn't in a position to control the market. Guess what? This happens every freaking day in multiple different businesses. Welcome to business!
This shift in the market was not unforseen; Buster himself saw it coming: [ QUOTE ] We all knew this day would come . . . [/ QUOTE ] Instead of pricing his service to accomdate this risk he shifts the risk entirely to his customers. Or, instead of acknowledging he made a mistake in not pricing this risk into his service, he decides that the risk was always borne by his customers. He doesn't acknowledge that the market shift has impaired / destroyed his business but it will do its very best to meet its commitments -- instead, he explcitly favors some customers over others and also favors his own business over his customers: [ QUOTE ] so those that chose to jump ship will forfeit your payments to cover my obligation to my loyal customers. Any remaining funds will be used to cover website costs, employee payments, and referral bonii. [/ QUOTE ] But, never fear, the disappointd customer can rest assured that he/she is not getting the worst of it: [ QUOTE ] I assure you this sucks much more for me than it does for you [/ QUOTE ] Awesome. A fantastic way to do business. If I were a player under him, I wouldn't go quietly in response to this -- I would kick up as big a fuss as I could, including contacting Empire and any other room his site advertised, including harassing him mercilessly until all his players were paid for the monthly period covering the split (I am assuming Empire pays on a monthly basis similar to other skins, especially since Buster's own post referenced his quota for the month), including harassing him further if he didn't give a month's notice that the service was ending or the cost (%) was changing therafter, and including trying to use the civil justice system to force him to comply with his existing obligations (and he could use the same system to avoid his obligations, with a cost of course). His action / attitude sucks ass, and is both unethical and embarrassing. I have trouble understanding how an individual could approach this issue in the way his post implies he does; and I'd consider his reliability and trustworthiness to be shot completely, for everemore, if he doesn't reverse himself promptly and admit a terrible lapse in judgment. I work in an industry where reputation is key; he'd be finished in my industry for taking this stand without backing away from it immediately (and he'd be justly shunned for taking it in the first place with a lot of work ahead to restore his reputation). And he should be finished in this indujstry if he doesn't back away gracefully; and he should be finished in any industry if his approach here is at all typical of approaches is in tough situations.
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#86
10-18-2005, 03:42 AM
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Re: Anybody seen my Empire Affiliate Busterstacks
What a joke.
Can anyone find out who this guy is? Sounds like some here know him in the real world? It might help if people post how much this prick owes them. I love how he characterizes his players as having bailed on him. At a bare minimum I would hope he won't have the nerve to post here anymore. Karma can be a bitch.
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#87
10-18-2005, 04:00 AM
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Re: Anybody seen my Empire Affiliate Busterstacks
No offense, but this post is bullshit. When you choose to operate a business, there are certain risks involved. Among those risks is the risk that you will lose money when providing the services that you promised to your customers. This is the nature of an entrepreneurial enterprise.
I sympathize with you as much as the next guy, but implicitly laying the blame for this on those customers who "jumped ship" and complaining that you are not even going to make a profit this month only shows that you shouldn't have been in business in the first place. What would you think of your local internet provider if he contacted you and told you that since he's not going to make a profit this month that he's going to disconnect your service in order to cut losses? Clearly, and rightly, you would argue that whether he makes profits this month is irrelevant to the obligations that he promised to provide in exchange for the payments or services you yourself provided. Again, I sympathize with you, and I'm not even going to go as far as to say what you're doing is wrong, but if you set up a business plan that relies on your customers going above and beyond what is required of them on a consistent basis, perhaps your business plan is flawed. You should not have been an affiliate in the first place. You failed to fulfill your obligation to pay your customers, plain and simple. This is not, and should not be, standard business practice. If you feel you are justified in doing so, then it is only consistent of you to readily accept Party not paying you your agreed-upon cut of your referrals' rake, on the argument that "since the market reacted negatively to our recent business decision, we decided to not pay you. We assure you that this sucks much more for us than it does for you. Our apologies."
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