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05-31-2007, 05:04 AM
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Furthermore, Pokerbob and the Matt Hughes looking guy to his right were good players... but to call anyone that plays 30-60 and below "world-class" is a bit of a stretch. [/ QUOTE ] You have never heard of Schneids, or bicycle kick, both of who are regulars in that game and are world class players. Canterbury is for giggles, Schneids was playing 1k/2k this time last year in Bobby's room. 
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#82
05-31-2007, 05:05 AM
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Re: Obvious Collusion at the Canterbury Club (Long -Cliff Notes at bot
Yes it is very impressive. I am unfortunately a $390 per hour loser playing 75/150 with an almost as impressive sample size as the 20/40.
*edit* I am also $-1250/hour in 50/100 HU. Substantial sample size as well.
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#83
05-31-2007, 05:07 AM
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[ QUOTE ] Furthermore, Pokerbob and the Matt Hughes looking guy to his right were good players... but to call anyone that plays 30-60 and below "world-class" is a bit of a stretch. [/ QUOTE ] you are making a horrible leap in logic here. just because the game is relatively small does not mean the players are not excellent. a friend and i discussed this last night, and came to the conclusion that the best 9 players from MN could probably torture just about any game in the country. at least 5 of them play 200/400+ in LA and win. [/ QUOTE ] I actually think that might be true... I wish I had the money to play 200-400... we could get a game going. I guess I'm just trying to make this "leap of faith"... how do you build an adequete bank roll playing 30-60 to jump into the agro games at commerce that are 200-400??? I'm not here to piss on peoples bankrolls... but I think there is a lot more shenanigans going on than you are guys are willing to admit in that 30-60 game. Or maybe... it's due to these shenanigans that such huge bankrolls have been built... I don't know. Maybe, because of the levels you can afford... you don't really care what's happening at the 30-60 game? I know that if someone was cheating at my little $25 monday night game I have with co-workers... I might not catch it if someone was cheating cause the stakes don't really force me to bring my best game / skills of observation.
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#84
05-31-2007, 05:08 AM
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However, I regularly play 40-80 at commerce, 30-60 at the Wynn, and at times I've played a bit higher on line. [/ QUOTE ] Commerce 40/80 plays like Vegas 15/30 with a lag in it. 30/60 at Wynn can turn into a very agressive game some nights, but generally its kinda weak tight. I can only guess, but it sounds like you have never been exposed to this level of agro play before.
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#85
05-31-2007, 05:08 AM
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I guess I'm just trying to make this "leap of faith"... how do you build an adequete bank roll playing 30-60 to jump into the agro games at commerce that are 200-400??? [/ QUOTE ] I was just kidding when I said they didn't have computers in the midwest.
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#86
05-31-2007, 05:09 AM
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[ QUOTE ] Furthermore, Pokerbob and the Matt Hughes looking guy to his right were good players... but to call anyone that plays 30-60 and below "world-class" is a bit of a stretch. [/ QUOTE ] You have never heard of Schneids, or bicycle kick, both of who are regulars in that game and are world class players. Canterbury is for giggles, Schneids was playing 1k/2k this time last year in Bobby's room. [/ QUOTE ] No I haven't... those limits are WAY out of my league and I would have no use for knowing who those players are... and unlike most other 20-30 year old poker players I'm not a poker groupie [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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#87
05-31-2007, 05:10 AM
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I guess I'm just trying to make this "leap of faith"... how do you build an adequete bank roll playing 30-60 to jump into the agro games at commerce that are 200-400??? [/ QUOTE ] A little thing called Online Poker. None of these guys were pro-live players, they built their rolls online.
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#88
05-31-2007, 05:11 AM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Furthermore, Pokerbob and the Matt Hughes looking guy to his right were good players... but to call anyone that plays 30-60 and below "world-class" is a bit of a stretch. [/ QUOTE ] you are making a horrible leap in logic here. just because the game is relatively small does not mean the players are not excellent. a friend and i discussed this last night, and came to the conclusion that the best 9 players from MN could probably torture just about any game in the country. at least 5 of them play 200/400+ in LA and win. [/ QUOTE ] I actually think that might be true... I wish I had the money to play 200-400... we could get a game going. I guess I'm just trying to make this "leap of faith"... how do you build an adequete bank roll playing 30-60 to jump into the agro games at commerce that are 200-400??? I'm not here to piss on peoples bankrolls... but I think there is a lot more shenanigans going on than you are guys are willing to admit in that 30-60 game. Or maybe... it's due to these shenanigans that such huge bankrolls have been built... I don't know. Maybe, because of the levels you can afford... you don't really care what's happening at the 30-60 game? I know that if someone was cheating at my little $25 monday night game I have with co-workers... I might not catch it if someone was cheating cause the stakes don't really force me to bring my best game / skills of observation. [/ QUOTE ] i am poor. 30/60 is big for me. if i thought someone was cheating, i'd go nuts. no one is cheating that i have seen.
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#89
05-31-2007, 05:11 AM
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[ QUOTE ] However, I regularly play 40-80 at commerce, 30-60 at the Wynn, and at times I've played a bit higher on line. [/ QUOTE ] Commerce 40/80 plays like Vegas 15/30 with a lag in it. 30/60 at Wynn can turn into a very agressive game some nights, but generally its kinda weak tight. I can only guess, but it sounds like you have never been exposed to this level of agro play before. [/ QUOTE ] Possibly... however... from what I've seen and heard (from live players and 2+2ers)... the 40-80 at commerce is the wild west. I tend to agree. It's not that the game was overly aggressive today... it's that the same two players would MULTI-BET preflop and then check fold the flop HU... that's not normal.
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#90
05-31-2007, 05:12 AM
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[ QUOTE ] I guess I'm just trying to make this "leap of faith"... how do you build an adequete bank roll playing 30-60 to jump into the agro games at commerce that are 200-400??? [/ QUOTE ] A little thing called Online Poker. None of these guys were pro-live players, they built their rolls online. [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough... this is one thing that I KNOW I have tunnel vision about. I was always so paranoid about keeping money on line... I never took advantage of moving up stakes and building a big bank roll on line. So therefore I forget that hundreds of other players used this tool that I ignored.
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