What would you do about Virginia Tech?

[Grasshopp3r]

I live in the Denver area. No psychologist story that I have heard. Those that supplied the guns were prosecuted and did prison time. What else can you do?

Are you suggesting that to supply a gun to someone who commits a crime with it should be a capital offense? Personally, I am fine with that. More executions = fewer criminals = fewer crimes = lower prison costs.

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Five frat kids sit around a keg. They are drunk. One insults the other. The other shoots the first. Everyone else kills the original killer, then kill each other.

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Jesus, think through your arguments slightly.


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I went to extremes. Tone it back a bit and realise how ridiculous it is to think giving kids guns is gonna make said kids safer.

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Who's talking about giving kids guns??

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Everyone in here who is pro gun (there was one dude who specifically said it, cant remember his name and im mid reply).

If not, how will they defend themselves with a gun?

If guns are able to help you defend yourself, you should have the gun at all times. If these kids were to have a wild west shootout reminiscent of the OK Carral, then surely they need to have their barking iron by their side at all times.

Right?

Oh, and if you mean kids as in children, i define late teens early 20s as kids. Im 23 and i consider myself a kid. I remarked in the car to my dad today its rare for shootings to happen at colleges, and normally happen at high schools. Arm high school kids too?

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Phill ... you act as if your idea of what is right here is so obvious, yet discounts so many of the pro-gun arguments. I am sure that they will come up in the thread, but I'd like to put one of your argument to rest.

Kennesaw, Georgia. In 1982, the town passed an ordinance that required all citizens (about 23,000 at the time), to own a gun with ammunition. The law has been amended to loosen it a little over time, but it still stands.

Per your logic, Kennesaw should be the most dangerous place in the world to live. And, there should be all sorts of husbands shooting wives, and accidental shootings of children. Shock of shocks, there has not been a single reported crime of domestic violence in Kennesaw since the law was passed. There have been no injuries to children involving guns since the law was passed.

Furthermore, violence has actually dropped since 1982. Burglaries per thousand inhabitants fell from 11 to less than 3. There hasn't been a single murder since 1986. All this despite the fact that the population in Kennesaw doubled in that time.

Some might argue this is a small sample size. You can't do that because you have asserted that size doesn't matter.

Argue your anti-gun side. That is okay. But don't come across as if we are all a bunch of morons because we believe in the right to own and use guns. We may not come to a consensus, but it isn't an open and shut case as I am guessing you are about to find out.

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The "more guns would prevent violence" stuff is funny to me. That's great for Dirty Harry movies.

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This happened about 2 miles from my house:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articl...?p1=MEWell_Pos5

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A knife-wielding grocery store employee attacked eight co-workers Friday, seriously injuring five before a witness pulled a gun and stopped him, police said.

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"When he turned around and saw my pistol, he threw the knife away, put his hands up and got on the ground," Cope told The Associated Press. "He saw my gun and that was pretty much it."

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phil,

You also need to take into account that there are very different laws in relation to hand guns in each state. We just can't compare US to another country in this means. It just does not work in that way. It's just so wildly inaccurate that it's worth discussing in such a way.

[onthebutton]

Brits,

From a historical perspective, I find the fact that citizens of the UK are telling us we should have gun control laws very LOL.

Part of the reason that the US has historically been very anti-gun control is because of the actions of your government during colonial times. I'm not laying blame, I just thought it was kind of funny.

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If the figure is 1 or higher, its obviously been a positive move. PLUS that isnt even taking into account random accidents and general murder using guns (though that figure will be almost as high seeing how effective knives and big sticks are anyway)

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Ohh? Not so obvious. How many died in that time because they didn't have a gun to defend themselves?

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[Jetboy2]

First - Probably a straight, white, male who was either pissed off with his girlfriend or dissatisfied with school/professors/classmates, or both. This is typical for mass shootings in the U.S.

Second - An Islamic extremist. Less typical, but a possibility.

What is there to do? Maybe our national interpretation of the Second Amendment is a bit too loose? Wadda ya do?

jb

[onthebutton]

Seriously, someone link the Penn and Teller "Bull*%it" episode about gun control.

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"We tell residents that it's important to remember that they're responsible for their own safety and they're also responsible for the safety of everybody else that lives there," said Maj. Jamie Herring, assistant campus police chief.

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This quote from a CNN article kinda pisses me off.

"You are responsible for your own safety," yet you can't arm yourself. This applies only to students having shotguns/rifles since you have to be 21 to own a handgun.

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Tuesday, January 31, 2006:

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A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

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Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

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First - Probably a straight, white, male who was either pissed off with his girlfriend or dissatisfied with school/professors/classmates, or both. This is typical for mass shootings in the U.S.

Second - An Islamic extremist. Less typical, but a possibility.

What is there to do? Maybe our national interpretation of the Second Amendment is a bit too loose? Wadda ya do?

jb

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Looks like you're wrong on all counts, except for the pissed at GF thing. Asian male.