Tubby Smith resigns, taking Minnesota job - Page 9

Clarkmeister · #81 03-22-2007, 06:13 PM

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I agree Mich is not a big time programs anymore. NCAA sanctions will destroy a program very quickly. However, the programs is now clean, they were 'supposed' to have 2 very highly touted recruits coming in next year, so things are looking to be on the rise. We still have issues about our facilities etc... But, like I said Tubby taking the Minn. job so fast is still kinda shocking to me. I'm not even sure I want him in Ann Arbor, but still kinda puts things in perspective for me as a Mich fan.

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Just to be clear, my point is that despite all that bad stuff, it's STILL shocking he goes to Minny over Michigan.

DukeSucks · #82 03-22-2007, 06:16 PM

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Final Four appearances:
16 North Carolina, UCLA
14 Duke
13 Kentucky
12 Kansas
9 Ohio State
8 Indiana, Louisville
6 Arkansas, Cincinnati, Michigan, Michigan State, Oklahoma State
5 Houston, Illinois
4 Arizona, Georgetown, Kansas State, LSU, Oklahoma, Syracuse, UNLV, Utah

App. School Last App. Last Win Last Sweet 16 Last Elite 8 Last Final 4 Last Chm App. Last Chmp.
49 Kentucky 2007 2007 2005 2005 1998 1998 1998
41 UCLA 2007 2007 2007 2006 2006 2006 1995
39 North Carolina 2007 2007 2007 2005 2005 2005 2005
36 Kansas 2007 2007 2007 2004 2003 2003 1988
34 Indiana 2007 2007 2002 2002 2002 2002 1987
33 Louisville 2007 2007 2005 2005 2005 1986 1986
31 Duke 2007 2006 2006 2004 2004 2001 2001
31 Syracuse 2006 2004 2004 2003 2003 2003 2003
28 Villanova 2007 2006 2006 2006 1985 1985 1985
28 Arkansas 2007 1999 1996 1995 1995 1995 1994
28 Notre Dame 2007 2003 2003 1979 1978
27 Illinois 2007 2006 2005 2005 2005 2005
27 Connecticut 2006 2006 2006 2006 2004 2004 2004
27 St. John's 2002 2000 1999 1999 1985 1952
26 Arizona 2007 2006 2005 2005 2001 2001 1997
26 Utah 2005 2005 2005 1998 1998 1998 1944
25 Marquette 2007 2003 2003 2003 2003 1977 1977
25 Texas 2007 2007 2006 2006 2003
25 Temple 2001 2001 2001 2001 1958

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All-time wins: (through last yr)

Kentucky 1926
UNC 1883
Kansas 1873

AngusThermopyle · #83 03-22-2007, 06:23 PM

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7 NCAA titles
43 SEC regular season titles in 87 years (841-231)
25 SEC tourney titles in 47 years (110-20)
46 All-Americans (15 consensous)

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And at one time, the sun never set on the British Empire.

In the mind of an 18 year old recruit, how much does all that matter?

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that is the million dollar question

How well can the coach convey that message to potential recruits?
Looking at Self and Kansas, I say it can go pretty far.

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You don't sell today's players on 'ancient' history. You sell them on the future.
You really think Self uses Danny Manning or Jo Jo White as examples in his recruiting?

MyTurn2Raise · #84 03-22-2007, 06:24 PM

considering Manning is one of his top assistants...yeah

Annulus · #85 03-22-2007, 06:29 PM

i misread your post at first, were on the same page.

AngusThermopyle · #86 03-22-2007, 06:31 PM

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considering Manning is one of his top assistants...yeah

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Ok, I'm a bit out of the loop there.
But, do you think that registers with an 18 yr old?
More than the last 10 years of your program?
More than the realistic chance at playing minutes?
More than 'connecting' with the coach and assistants?

Annulus · #87 03-22-2007, 06:32 PM

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7 NCAA titles
43 SEC regular season titles in 87 years (841-231)
25 SEC tourney titles in 47 years (110-20)
46 All-Americans (15 consensous)

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And at one time, the sun never set on the British Empire.

In the mind of an 18 year old recruit, how much does all that matter?

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that is the million dollar question

How well can the coach convey that message to potential recruits?
Looking at Self and Kansas, I say it can go pretty far.

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You don't sell today's players on 'ancient' history. You sell them on the future.
You really think Self uses Danny Manning or Jo Jo White as examples in his recruiting?

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i think history plays a crucial role in recruiting. obviously along with many other factors, like current team players, facilities, coaches, area, education etc... but don't discount a schools history during the recruiting process like it's a non-factor, thats insane.

MyTurn2Raise · #88 03-22-2007, 06:38 PM

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considering Manning is one of his top assistants...yeah

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Ok, I'm a bit out of the loop there.
But, do you think that registers with an 18 yr old?
More than the last 10 years of your program?
More than the realistic chance at playing minutes?
More than 'connecting' with the coach and assistants?

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I think the history gets the foot in the door- a lot of doors.
From there, it comes down to other things.
History also helps with fan base and exposure presentations that coaches make to recruits.

It's very important for a young man to be aware of the school. There is a reason Carolina, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, and UCLA can grab a kid from just about anywhere in the country. The kid is *aware* of those schools.

jalapenoguy · #89 03-22-2007, 06:38 PM

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considering Manning is one of his top assistants...yeah

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Ok, I'm a bit out of the loop there.
But, do you think that registers with an 18 yr old?
More than the last 10 years of your program?
More than the realistic chance at playing minutes?
More than 'connecting' with the coach and assistants?

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its not the only thing but its part of it.

a guy like jrue holiday visiting unc when they had the celebration of past guys at halftime definitly scored points for unc. you think a kid getting the chance to meet nba all stars every once in a while won't have an impact?

UATrewqaz · #90 03-22-2007, 06:39 PM

Whenever traditional big time powers have downspells (Notre Dame/Alabama football, Kentucky basketball, etc.)

there are always people over-stating how "dead" the programs are and people over-stating how "super awesome top tier" they are.

The truth lies somewhere in between.

Traditional powers can go dormant for long stretches. Oklahoma football was the suck for 15 or so years and they have been a consistent top 10 (usually top 5 title contender) the last 8 or so.

The days of a few schools completely dominating are over. But the traditional powers in all sports still have a leg up on the non-traditional powers.

The tradition usually means more fan support and more money for the program.