Catholics vs. Hitler

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Most of human history contradicts what you're saying but whatever. Arbitrary denial works well for you so go with it.

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Is it simply not possible to wait till marriage? How is it that so many people have done so? It might not be "easy", but it's certainly not unrealistic.

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Notice- the wife didn't commit adultery. If her husband comitted adultery and got used protection properly... her life likely would still be spared.

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I said listening can help, not listening means you are invincible. The condom the guy used could have broken and he still could have gotten an STD because of his adultery.

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more arbitary denial.

Fun.

Organization-
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a group of persons organized for some end or work; association

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Act
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1. anything done, being done, or to be done; deed; performance: a heroic act.

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So...
an organization can do 'work'... weird how an organization can accomplish that without "acting."

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Is it simply not possible to wait till marriage? How is it that so many people have done so? It might not be "easy", but it's certainly not unrealistic.


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How many people? In the history of humanity... what percentage of people waited until marriage and remained monogamous? And what are you basing your claims on?

What percentage of people do you guess live up to that now?

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I said listening can help, not listening means you are invincible. The condom the guy used could have broken and he still could have gotten an STD because of his adultery.

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Sure it could have broke. Or, MORE LIKELY, since most condoms don't break, it could have saved their lives.

There is a very high probability that if Africans were taught about condoms and given them access to them, that lives would be saved. Do you agree with this?

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The basic premise of my post is

the church did terrible things.

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Your premise sucks because the church is not a person that can act.

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Why isnt the catholic church demonized like hitler.

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The church can't act and those who did bad things in the past are not alive anymore. Those who did order bad things, are not looked upon well by history.

I understand what you're trying to do. You want to demonize an organization for the sins of those who once belonged to it a long, long time ago because of your anti-christian views. Most intelligent people here can see your silly attempts for what they are.

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its like mel gibson was a good director but now that he is a jew hater hes a bad person

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an organization can do 'work'... weird how an organization can accomplish that without "acting."

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No, people within an organization do work.

And you say I think illogically... [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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an organization can do 'work'... weird how an organization can accomplish that without "acting."

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No, people within an organization do work.

And you say I think illogically... [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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whatever. The courts disagree. Reference books disagree. Not much point in arguing with someone who decides that words mean things different then everyone else.

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How many people? In the history of humanity... what percentage of people waited until marriage and remained monogamous?

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I have no idea. I'd guess millions, but it'd be just that, a guess. It doesn't matter what the number is, only that it's possible. If it's possible and the only thing stopping someone is the choices they make, then it's not unrealistic as you claimed.

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There is a very high probability that if Africans were taught about condoms and given them access to them, that lives would be saved. Do you agree with this?

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Perhaps. Go teach them if that's what you believe. I won't stop you.

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I have no idea. I'd guess millions, but it'd be just that, a guess. It doesn't matter what the number is, only that it's possible. If it's possible and the only thing stopping someone is the choices they make, then it's not unrealistic as you claimed.


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Wow. Millions? Out of the hundreds of billions of people who have lived on this earth you think MILLIONS of people managed abstinence? its not unnatural at all then.

And it does matter what the number is. We're trying to determine what's natural and realistic. Just because something is possible doesn't make it realistic.

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There is a very high probability that if Africans were taught about condoms and given them access to them, that lives would be saved. Do you agree with this?


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Perhaps. Go teach them if that's what you believe. I won't stop you.

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Perhaps? What a cop out. You can't answer definitely? You can't look at the well tested performance of condoms and make a confident prediction on whether or not introducing condoms to Africa would likely save lives?

And what I'm teaching them is not the point. My question was, if you are honestly concerned with saving lives and helping to slow the spread of AIDS, wouldn't the rational thing to do considering all we know is to teach birth control too? A simple yes or no.

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an organization can do 'work'... weird how an organization can accomplish that without "acting."

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No, people within an organization do work.

And you say I think illogically... [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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whatever. The courts disagree. Reference books disagree. Not much point in arguing with someone who decides that words mean things different then everyone else.

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If a judge says something, it's therefore true? If a reference book prints it, it's true?

Maybe you should try using your brain and realizing that an abstract thing like an organization can't "act". Only people within an organization can act.

For example, some people say the U.S. made the decision to go to war with Iraq. Does that mean everyone within the U.S. made such a decision or just certain people?

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For example, some people say the U.S. made the decision to go to war with Iraq. Does that mean everyone within the U.S. made such a decision or just certain people?

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Just the people within the organisation who decide how it will act?