WSEx: Official Thread: January & February. (#5 of 6.)

[DING-DONG YO]

Tuff, if you take a look at the numbers long-term, I think you'll be surprised to see that the rake taken from your pots (via PT records) is very close to what you get back at WPEX.

[TheScientist]

Agreed with DDY. I don't think giving back the fish an extra 25% is going to radically or even slightly alter the number of fish on the site. Really, it's time to stop looking into tweaking this or that. It's not about HUDs or HHs or Contributed Rake or anything of that nature. A MAJOR change is needed.

WSEX GM, it's time to decide if you just want to provide a nice Poker Room for your existing members, or if you truly want to grow traffic. The solution is not a secret. ADVERTISE.

[DING-DONG YO]

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The solution is not a secret. ADVERTISE.

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QFT and as someone pointed out earlier, I would rather get 80-90% RB with a softer player base than the current 100% RB with the super-tough player base.

I also really couldn't care less about names in HH, HUDs, PT (although I don't think HUDs should be used as it is against the current T&C, but I don't care if WPEX changes it), etc, blah blah meowchow.

What I do care about are butts in front of screens logging into WPEX.

[Tuff_Fish]

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Tuff, if you take a look at the numbers long-term, I think you'll be surprised to see that the rake taken from your pots (via PT records) is very close to what you get back at WPEX.

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Not to beat a dead horse, but here is one last swipe.

It is not necessarily the amount of rake given back, but the fact that the tight nits get as much back as the live ones. Thus, there is no incentive to be a live one. Reward the LAGS and loose passives, and penalize the 12% VIP's and THAT will grow the user base dramatically. This is how best to use the 100% rakeback program.

You DO want me in your games, don't you? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Tuff Donk

[bcblack]

This is silly. Changing the rakeback from shared to contributed is not going to attract fish. The idea itself is laughable. Fish don't know what either of those words mean. They don't care. They just want to play.

Tuff, like someone else said, you are a donkey, not a fish. You are on 2+2. You are exposed to the proper strategies to play good poker, but are incapable of doing them. That makes you a donkey. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

We need to get players from outside of 2+2.

We Americans live in a country populated by 95% donkeys, and they all happen to be greedy. All we need to do is get the word out that you can "make" x$hr for 3 tables of whatever limit.

[Benjamin]

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Put more money in the hands of the loose players and the games will certainly loosen up.

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fish aren't going to come because of a change in rake structure.

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I stand by my statement that putting more money in the hands of the looser players will certainly loosen up the game.

I personally use a very tight aggressive style on WPEX because I know that I am getting a rakeback bonus for playing that way. I would loosen up a bit if it were figured by contributed. I am not the only one who has adopted this obvious strategy to try to beat the game.

Losing players may not be attracted to WPEX because of the way rakeback is figured, but they will last incrementally longer at the tables and at the site when you give them more money in their pocket every week.

As it is the fish get cleaned both by the rakeback structure, and by the very tough opposition. Leveling the field by changing the rake structure will make every loose, marginal or losing player last longer at the site, which means more loose play at the site, and more table selection.

It is inarguable that the current structure rewards and encourages tight play. If you want the games to loosen up, then changing the rakeback structure will be a step in that direction. By itself it will not overnight make the site loose, but it will get the ball rolling in that direction.

Advertising is also a great idea for attracting non-pro players, of course. But, it costs money, while changing the rakeback structure does not cost WSEX a penny once the software change is implemented.

[stickneymarc]

"You are exposed to the proper strategies to play good poker, but are incapable of doing them. That makes you a donkey."

Well played.

[DING-DONG YO]

I don't think changing the rakeback structure will make even the slightest difference in attracting players. In fact, a change might even decrease traffic as many of the TAGs will leave. If the TAGs leave, then traffic decreases and the game will dry even further.

The kind of player you want is the one that responds to advertising. That is why I still think the best option is to forgo a portion of the 100% rakeback in favor of an ad budget.

[stickneymarc]

Once again wsex can not advertise in the US. This is because the US has long standing indictments against them. Also they are a dot com and not dot net.

This horse has been beat to death.

1. everybody wants more traffic.
2. 100% rakeback in obviously isn't prefect but is still great regardless.
3. This players on the site are harder to beat.

Just play and tell people site is great. These monthly thread have almost nothing positive to them. It's just a constant bitch fest from people mostly with good intentions, but with little to add that I'm sure the smart people at wsex don't already know.

[stickneymarc]

Is anybody not too lazy to read the entire cardplayer article. Wsex can not advertise in the US. When the federal government deems you a criminal, as a publication you would not want to accept money from those people to promote their company. You could then advertise overseas, but what foreign publication would want to accept money from a people who run a company that has federal indictments against them? Not any of the US friendly ones. Maybe Iranian Poker Monthly has some ad space.