The Well: Whale

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How do you handle multiple bad beats in one session? Is there any point in which you quit or do you stay if the game is good?

Let me give you a specific example.

Not too long ago, I was playing .25/.50. I had just moved up from $25NL about a week prior, Well, there was a guy sitting at my table playing Any Two Cards and he was hitting. He sat down with $50 and tripled up in less than 10 minutes. He played 4To UTG and the flop came 44T, stacking his opponent. I watched this for several orbits, planning and plotting. I was on this immediate left. Ideal I think.

Finally, AA in the BB. Everyone folds to him and he raises like an insane 10BB. I go over the top all in and he insta-calls with JTos and of course flops 2 pair and stacks me.

I reload and a bit later get A3h on the button. 3 limpers including HIM. I limp. Flop is A34. SB bets pot, 2 folds, HE raises. I again go over the top all-in with my 2 pair that I know is good. SB folds, but He again insta-calls with 35os and rivers a 2 hitting his gut shot and stacking me again.

Phase 3: Reload again, and get KK. I get all-in again PF and HE calls with A7os and spikes an A.

This happened 2 more times, losing a total of 5 buy-ins ALL bad beats against a total DONK. I never got my money in less that 3 to 1 fav and lost each time.

When do you say when here?

[BalugaWhale]

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I've recently started to pay more attention to villains' reactions on cbets (fold, call, and raise cbets).

Now, if villain folds 50% or more, it's straight-forward.
But how do you handle these types of villains (OOP and in position):
a) raises cbets often (30%, 50%, or even 70%)
b) calls cbets very often (50%+)

Are there any general strategies against these guys or does this depend a lot on other reads? I seem to make my biggest mistakes in HU situations against these types.

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haha, well first of all, you can destroy those strategies by picking up cards.

Lets talk real quick about both of those types of guys:
The guy who raises a lot: does he continue on the turn a lot? So often he probably doesnt have a great hand? is he a thinking player or a calling station? If he bets on the turn and isn't a station, I am likely to have a really big range for turn c/rai.

The guy who calls a lot: Second barrel when the board is right for it, c/c when I think he's floating and I've got an average hand, c/r when I think he's floating and I've got a big hand/big draw.

Your questions are very player dependent, just remember that aggression wins in the end, but you can manipulate your opponents aggression into giving you money through your own carefully chosen bets and raises.

[BalugaWhale]

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Thanks for the replies.

Just another question.
Myself, kazana RedCashion, Matrix and probably others are making movements to NL100 so I ask this on behalf of them and probably many others.

FT NL50 seems snugglesoft in comparison(is that the FT doomswitch I hear) to NL100 where we all seem to have hit a bad run of variance (I get that impression).

Coinicdence or are there certain changes required for SSNL?

(FWIW I've only played 7k hands net +3buyins after a 6buyin swing and lost my confidence so went back to NL50 to recover it)

Any advice or should we just play more hands and get through it?

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The games really are not that much different imo. Slightly more aggressive players, slightly more thinking players. It wasn't until 200nl that I really had to rehaul my game to deal with all the pretty bad TAG's that play poorly postflop.

My advice is to drop down whenever you feel its a good idea, and focus on playing tight and THINKING about what you are doing. It isn't that hard to kill these games once you have developed a solid game from 25nl and 50nl.

my opinion

[BalugaWhale]

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At 25NL I often times run into a player that will call my raises oop and donk into me on EVERY single flop. Since I often only have over cards, or worse, how do you suggest I play against these guys.


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If he is minbetting, I ignore it and raise however much I was going to bet or slightly more.

If he is potting, I usually only proceed with a hand, but I am more inclined to semibluff with draws, overcards+GS and stuff.

If he is like 1/2 potting, I vary some bluff raises in here and there depending on the board.

[BalugaWhale]

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another question:
How do u determine your betsizes? When heads up, u always pot when cbeting?

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Usually a little more than 3/4 pot on cbets.

I don't really vary my bet sizes much in most situations. Sometimes I will to confuse my opponents.

[BalugaWhale]

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Thanks for doing this.

On your way up what winrate did you maintain at each level in terms of PTBB/100 hands?

You talked about 3-betting preflop in position. Do you often do it from the BB or SB against a likely blind steal (open raise from CO or BTN)? If so, what range of hands will you make this move with against (A) a 20/11 TAG, (B) a 36/24 LAG.

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I beat 25nl and 50nl for like 6ptbb playing a pretty loose janky game, then 100nl for 7-8ptbb, then some swings with 200nl and 400nl, but I am currently running good and beating 400nl for 9ptbb.

Yes, I often resteal from the blinds. No, I am not going to give you a solid range because most of my opponents are going to read this. I have a very wide range, but needless to say, I try to adjust my range most appropriately to the villain, how frustrated he is with my pf aggressiveness, and how likely it is that he folds.

[BalugaWhale]

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SnG player here that is slowly making the move to cash games.

From Canada, still play at Party. Before D Day, had a nice BR, since then cashed out and rebuilding.

Have played mostly 50NL with some 100NL in the past.

Now have a $1500 BR.

What would be your strategy for me to move up limits the most efficient way possible in terms of tables played and buy in level?

Long term goal is to beat the highest buy in that I can.

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I made a post about this. Check the SSNL master sticky.

To briefly summarize, beat the game for 20k hands. If it feels like you are killing it, move up (you'll have the money to), and repeat until the game is A) making you a lot of money, and B) moving up may not be profitable without some serious improvements.

[BalugaWhale]

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How do you handle multiple bad beats in one session? Is there any point in which you quit or do you stay if the game is good?

Let me give you a specific example.

Not too long ago, I was playing .25/.50. I had just moved up from $25NL about a week prior, Well, there was a guy sitting at my table playing Any Two Cards and he was hitting. He sat down with $50 and tripled up in less than 10 minutes. He played 4To UTG and the flop came 44T, stacking his opponent. I watched this for several orbits, planning and plotting. I was on this immediate left. Ideal I think.

Finally, AA in the BB. Everyone folds to him and he raises like an insane 10BB. I go over the top all in and he insta-calls with JTos and of course flops 2 pair and stacks me.

I reload and a bit later get A3h on the button. 3 limpers including HIM. I limp. Flop is A34. SB bets pot, 2 folds, HE raises. I again go over the top all-in with my 2 pair that I know is good. SB folds, but He again insta-calls with 35os and rivers a 2 hitting his gut shot and stacking me again.

Phase 3: Reload again, and get KK. I get all-in again PF and HE calls with A7os and spikes an A.

This happened 2 more times, losing a total of 5 buy-ins ALL bad beats against a total DONK. I never got my money in less that 3 to 1 fav and lost each time.

When do you say when here?

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When I am in the right frame of mind and the money is not a factor in my thinking, I just keep playing until i am up (if I have time)

If I find myself getting overly emotionally attached to the money, I stop.

[Motorcycle Mike]

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2) I don't know what you mean by "vs button steal", but no, I will raise generally 3.5xbb+1 as i said before. Sometimes, if there are a lot of limpers or something, I may either A) limp behind or B) raise like 1bb less than the rule or something like so that I don't create an absolutely massive pot. Usually I just stick with the rule though.

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To clarify the button raise, say it's folded around to the button who opens for a 4XBB raise (button steal like above). Are you raising 3 or 4 times the original raise, or some other amount?

[BalugaWhale]

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To clarify the button raise, say it's folded around to the button who opens for a 4XBB raise (button steal like above). Are you raising 3 or 4 times the original raise, or some other amount?

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Ah, I see. I am in the SB or BB?

It depends, but usually for a standard raise (3-4bb) I am raising between 3-4 times the original raise (I.e. if he opens to 14 I reraise to 44-48, if he opens to 15 I am reraising from 48-52, 16 is usually like 50-54, something like that.