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#81
08-06-2006, 10:22 PM
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Re: Fossilman\'s Account Hacked?
Could a company theoretically :
Say they want to sponsor Greg for a product. Greg says "Give me 100k or no deal. " Could this company just go to the WPT and offer them say 25k for Greg's images and other stuff? If so, that's pretty wrong. 
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#82
08-06-2006, 10:51 PM
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For those who thinkt he lawsuit is stupid, really need to read the terms they are agreeing to before they play in a WPT event. Now, don't get me wrong. I agree, the WPT has helped take poker to that next level where some of these players can make a damn fine living without really having to risk any money at all...HOWEVER. When you sign the release to play in a WPT event you give them rights to use your image throughout the "universe" "in perpituity." That is what it says on the contract. What does that mean? If they ever opened a casino on Jupiter, they can use your image to promote it whether that is tomorrow, or 1,000,000 years from now. You don't like it? Then don't play in any WPT events. Well guess what? They locked up the good ones. Do you realise how this can conflict with a player's current endorsement deals? Howard Lederer has a poker video game, WPT creates one, uses Lederer's image on theirs to help compete with his own. Once again. If you don't want to play by their rules, then go play elsewhere. But where can these players then play? They're effectively being strong armed into signing what could hopefully be ruled an unenforceable contract, their ability to play and earn a living is hindered. Sound a bit like a monopoly? You guys sit on here and bitch about Harrah's all day long. The problems will only get worse, because Poker is a game with no teams, the players are in it for themselves, so there will be no concerted effort to take down the giants, or at least bring them to a bargaining table to help the players gain a bit of equity. [/ QUOTE ]agreed.
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#83
08-06-2006, 11:12 PM
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at least until the WPT does something that players can point to and say "See, they are exploiting me." If you have examples, I would certainly listen and re-evaluate my position. [/ QUOTE ]this is a key point imo.
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#84
08-06-2006, 11:18 PM
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Could a company theoretically : Say they want to sponsor Greg for a product. Greg says "Give me 100k or no deal. " Could this company just go to the WPT and offer them say 25k for Greg's images and other stuff? If so, that's pretty wrong. [/ QUOTE ] If you have signed the release form put forth by the WPT, then this is exactly what could happen. A little while ago, when Coke Zero was new, they paid me a fee to use my name in a series of radio commercials. Because the commercials did not use my voice, I did not need to "do" anything, just sell them the right to use my name. If the WPT had my signature on one of their releases from this year, then Coke could have gone to them and gotten permission, and probably for less money. How could that possibly be fair? What if I were not a fan of Coke products? What if I even found them offensive? Yet I would not be able to stop the WPT from selling my name to that company for its advertising use. At the moment, the broad release forms used by the WPT in the last several months give them this power over every person who has ever played in one of those events. We are suing the WPT partly to rescind those release forms in this respect. We will be asking the WPT to rescind these clauses with respect to everybody, not just the 7 of us who are plaintiffs. That's one important way in which this case is for all poker players, not just us. While we cannot ask the judge to do this (because we did not file a class action lawsuit), we can ask the WPT to do this as part of a settlement. Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
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#85
08-06-2006, 11:18 PM
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[ QUOTE ] I watched Daniel's blog, and my take was not that he felt that the lawsuit was invalid or had no chance of winning or that he was giving a legal opinion of any sort. He simply felt that it was bad for poker, believing that you are trying to take advantage of the catch-22; many of the players are famous because of the WPT, but they WPT should in no way use their fame. I think it's a reasonable point - how many book deals, video games, commentary jobs did Howard Lederer have before the WPT? [/ QUOTE ] As a poker player, I was familiar with almost all of these players prior to the World Poker Tour. In fact, the only reason I watched the WPT was so that I could get to see these players in action more often. Therefore, you could argue exactly the opposite: that the World Poker Tour actually owes these players, because without them, there'd be nothing to watch. [/ QUOTE ] AS A POKER PLAYER being the key part of your statement. The majority of money comes from the casual players who became fans once they saw the show.
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#86
08-06-2006, 11:19 PM
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Can you provide additional insight, or a copy of the filing (which I assume is a matter of public record, please correct me if I am wrong) so I can educate myself better about the case? I understand that you may not be able to discuss discovery at this time of course. [/ QUOTE ] www.wptlawsuit.com
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#87
08-06-2006, 11:23 PM
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OK, here's a copy of the complaint: http://www.wptlawsuit.com/files/2919.../Complaint.pdf [ QUOTE ] 1. This action is brought to enjoin, and to seek treble damages for, continuing violations of the federal and state antitrust laws ... [/ QUOTE ] It looks like you 7 personally stand to benefit greatly if treble damages (3X [censored] DAMAGES!) are awarded. I can't believe you tried to snow this whole board with your poker Santa Claus act. [/ QUOTE ] We are trying to get the WPT to do certain things, such as change the release form, provide better final table structures, etc. If we were to ask for only those things in the complaint, why would the WPT settle with us? They could go to court, and if they lost completely it would be no worse than settling. Of course we ask for money also, as it gives us greater leverage in any settlement discussions which may take place. I can promise you, if the WPT were to do all the things we are asking, they could settle without giving us any "treble damages." Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
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#88
08-06-2006, 11:27 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Can you provide additional insight, or a copy of the filing (which I assume is a matter of public record, please correct me if I am wrong) so I can educate myself better about the case? I understand that you may not be able to discuss discovery at this time of course. [/ QUOTE ] www.wptlawsuit.com [/ QUOTE ] Thank you Greg, I subscribed to the Blog. Obviously I find this topic fascinating; I'm an armchair litigator, if I could do it all over again I'd go to law school. Question, what is the difference between submitting the suit as the seven individuals vs as a class action suit? Is it because the settlement process would be easier to accomplish? Thanks in advance... I hope you can come to a settlement that is good for all parties involved quickly. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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#89
08-06-2006, 11:32 PM
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Question, what is the difference between submitting the suit as the seven individuals vs as a class action suit? Is it because the settlement process would be easier to accomplish? [/ QUOTE ] The big difference between a class action and a regular lawsuit is that you have to prove the validity of the class in a class action case. That is, you must first show the judge that you have a valid representative plaintiff(s) for the class, and that the class needs the lawsuit to happen. It is simply an extra hurdle that is not necessary. If our underlying cause of action is judged to be valid, then our "private" lawsuit would serve as a precedent for any other persons wishing to sue. Therefore, why go to the extra trouble of certifying the class? The most common reason for a class action suit is that it allows plaintiffs, each of whom individually does not suffer from a very large amount of damages, to work together and make the case cost effective. In other words, each individual member would never sue because the cost of trying the case overwhelms the award they could win if victorious. In our case, we can afford to pay the legal fees, and we can take on this case for the good of ourselves and everybody else who wants to play in open field big-buyin events. Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
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#90
08-06-2006, 11:52 PM
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Daniel's actions re the lawsuit. Therefore, he is either stupid for repeatedly expressing a worthless opinion, or he is acting at the request of the WPT or one of their agents. Hence, I said he is stupid or a sockpuppet. I really don't see how there is a legitimate 3rd option. I thought Daniel was smart enough to understand that maybe he should educate himself on an issue before jumping to (and publicizing) a conclusion. Maybe I was wrong. Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan) [/ QUOTE ] I love FossilMan more with every passing day. Yeah i said love , so what ?
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