Israel's Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah

[Cyrus]

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When Israel invaded in 1982 it was during the middle of the Lebanese civil war when there wasn't an effective central government.

[/ QUOTE ]And Israel invaded without any legitimacy, just like every other brigand in History who simply walked into the neighbor's territory because ..it could. (E.g. Poland, 1939.)

It's funny how not even Israel's most fanatical supporters can construct a tenable defense for its continuously aggressive and belligerent stance. As ,for instance, Lebanon 1982.

Let Israel invade, occupy and annex all its neighboring countries. Maybe then we will have, at least, the peace of the graveyard.

[Cyrus]

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I think we should let them fight to the death and whoever wins gets all the land.

[/ QUOTE ]This would be like equipping one fighter in a boxing game with gloves fitted with iron, letting them fight it out for 9 rounds and then proclaiming that they should be left alone to fight it out among themselves and "may the better man win".

(With one guy still having the iron gloves on, too.)

[Bigdaddydvo]

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And the Jews can do it. The Jewish Mafia has been able to maintain a strong foothold in the diamond, publishing & media industries in the U.S., while remaining under the radar.

The only time I can remember the Jewish Mafia being portrayed on T.V., is in the weekly show Hill Street Blues, and then, they were just one of several different gangs assembled at the station house and had no lines. Just two Jews, sitting amongst the Irish, Italian, Puerto Rican Mobs.

All we need to do, is fail to support Israel 100% and the Jewish Mob in the U.S. can rain havoc in the U.S. unlike any terrorist organization.

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Sing it with me everybody, one time!

Throw the Jew down the well,

so my country can be free,

you must grab him by his horns,

then we have a big party!

[TaintedRogue]

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It is dumb that Hizb Allah decided to get involved in this. While I sympathise with their desire to take a stand on the disgraceful plight of the Palestinians in Gaza and unresolved grivances with Israel, they are simply giving Israel justification to take the fight to them knowing that Lebanese civilians will suffer for it.

Never fear about Israel losing an opportunity to jump down from the moral high ground though. As usual it responds with utterly disproportionate force to the kidnapping and killing of a hand full of Israeli soldiers by launching attacks that have already killed 30 or so Lebanese civilians , promises to destroy Lebanese cvilian infrastructure, bomb Lebanon back decades and so on. No surprises there.

The problem with insisting that the Lebanese governemnt clean house is that Lebanon does not have a political system comparable to the typical nation state. It's government and politics consists of numerous ethno-clientelist groups that don't represent any sort of political project or majoritarian popular will, whose purpose is more to give official posts to representatives of various groups rather than carry out serious political projects; it is made up of a finely balanced mixture of community-based parties, and the government going after Hizb Allah would be perceived as some of these groups going after/interfering in the affairs of another one. They neither have the will nor the means to forcibly disarm Hizb Allah, and I doubt other regional players would permit such action anyway. At any rate, it is not the Lebanese government that Israel will make suffer for this, but Lebanese civilians.

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Hizb Allah have seats in the Lebanese government and are allowed to maintain their militia at the southern border.

What do you expect when you have several tribes running a country. The hell with em'. Let em get into a slaughtering civil war like the U.S. did. It will be good for the arms businesses. I don't see any other way I can make a dime off the situation.

[Cancuk]

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Arabs = Stupidity
If a 5'0' 90 lb man walks up to Mike Tyson, spits in his face, calls him a n*****, and then sucker punches him. Would you say this man is smart or an idiot? The Arab actions towards Israel are analogous to that 90 lb man. The Arabs keep picking fights with Israel and when israel responds with overwhelming force the Arabs start crying and ask the UN to step in.

The USA has applied enormous pressure on Israel to force the Jews to make concessions and everytime a deal is made...the Arabs welch on their end of the bargain. Arab leaders are lying dishonest irrational scum and they can't be trusted. Israel needs to:
(1) Bomb Iranian Oil fields to eliminate the financial sources of terrorism. Yes this would temporarily mean $100/ barrel oil but perhaps this would cause the collapse of the theocracy in Iran.
(2) Ethnic cleanse Gaza and the West Bank of Arabs and dump them into Jordan. Build Jewish settlements in Gaza and the West Bank and keep that land forever-and-ever.
(3) Finish building the security wall around all of Israel.
(4) Flip off the UN and disengage from all uncivilized Arab regimes.

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Hiel Nietsche!

I'm sure you would have been a big hit circa 1939 Germany.

[Cancuk]

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Has anyone on here been to Israel?

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I have.

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Hmm...

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I was supposed to go up there about 5 days ago, but time didn't agree. I've just been in Turkey, Syria, Lebanon (about two weeks ago), Jordan, and am in Egypt right now.

- Cancuk

[in48092]

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The second point is the crucial one. Either Lebanon is in league with Hezbollah in carrying out attacks on Israel or it is not but unable to deal with them. In either event Lebanon cannot expect Israel to do nothing or to do things that aren't effective in severely curtailing those attacks in the future, which means destroying part of Lebanon's infrastructure that Hezbollah depends upon.

So again, either Lebanon's military needs to move against Hezbollah, or they shouldn't whine when Israel does it instead. And all of this doesn't even touch on the underlying issue which is Iran's support for and partial control of Hezbollah. They can expect a reckoning as well.


[/ QUOTE ] here's the deal. The "lebanese government" as a whole was not in cahoots with hizballah in carrying out these attacks. It is feasible that elemts within the lebanese government could have had knowledge of the attack, but that is circumstantial at this point. The majority of lebanese christians, sunnis and druze are against hizballah. a notable exeption is the christian president who is a staunch ally of syria, and one of the few pro hizballah christians.
Hizballah is both a proxy group for the syrians and iranians, as well as being dometic representative group for the shia population in lebanon. (roughly 40% of the population) Since the assasination of hariri and the withdraw of syrian troops the rumblings, both domestically and internationally, for hizballah to disharm have been growing It's not that lebanon is unwilling to take on hizballah, it's just that at present, they are incapable. however, they are slowly moving in that direction.

This brings us to why hizballah carried out these attacks. there are three main reasons for this. The first concerns Syria. Syria has an interest in destablizing lebanon (and israel palestine) because it destracts both the syrian people and the international community from the myriad of domestc problems within syria. The second concerns iran. iran stands to gain from raising hell in the region because it distracts international attention away from there nuclear program and shennanigans as a whole. the third reason concerns hizballah domestically. as pressure slowly mounts both domestically and internaitonally for hizballah to disarm, they must find reason not to. in kidnapping the soldiers, they banked on a massive response from israel. as long as there are israeli soldiers in lebanon, and armed hizballah seems justified. after all, hizballah is widely credited for israels withdrawl from southern lebanon in 2000 in addition many lebanese may not like hizballah, but they will be slower to critisize them when israel is in lebanon, even if it is hizballah's fault in the first place.

[Cancuk]

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And the Jews can do it. The Jewish Mafia has been able to maintain a strong foothold in the diamond, publishing & media industries in the U.S., while remaining under the radar.

The only time I can remember the Jewish Mafia being portrayed on T.V., is in the weekly show Hill Street Blues, and then, they were just one of several different gangs assembled at the station house and had no lines. Just two Jews, sitting amongst the Irish, Italian, Puerto Rican Mobs.

All we need to do, is fail to support Israel 100% and the Jewish Mob in the U.S. can rain havoc in the U.S. unlike any terrorist organization.

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You're a freak.

[Yuv]

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I honestly think Nasralla and his organization scared themselves with that rocket hitting Haifa and this is the major reason why he denied firing it in the first place.

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Aren't these organizations notorious for not having a solid command structure? Seems very likely that some moron grunt (or whatever their rank would be) may have got excited and launched without even talking to his superiors.

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Hizballah are actually a very "well" organized terror group. Nasrallah, as awful as it sounds, is probably the most "respected" arab leader in the region, in Israeli eyes. Obviously I don't actually mean respected, but he is known to carry out most of his promises and very rarely puts out false reports or announcement.

I find it very hard to believe he did not know or authorized the firing on Haifa, as he spoke about his abilities to reach that exact point, fully knowing what it means to Israel.

[andyfox]

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