Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event

[jedi]

The quick answer, the floor should correct the dealer's error. If the player had mucked his hand instead, then that's the player's fault, but if he tabled the hand, then cards speak. But, Seat 2 probably should speak up before the chips are shipped.

But, I think I've been playing the wrong game. If this is the WSOP, and some donk is playing A23x with a flush draw on a 944 board, that's a fricking gold mine!

[Richard Tanner]

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Just for the "record" on this one Cody....

Huck Seed was at the table at the time. He did not say a word. Not when the hands were shown-down, not when the other player said there was a boat. So on this one, in the least, you are wrong.

Maybe it would be different had he been in the hand, but I'm pretty sure he'd be more willing to declare a winning hand when he's NOT in the hand than if he had been the one to scoop. So at the very least, you are wrong on that account.

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That's really bothersome behavior from someone like Huck. As he posts here I'd really like to get his take on this. I'm hoping he just didn't see it, or didn't think T200 was worth the trouble, but if he saw it and said nothing I'd really like to get his opinion.

Huck is, as I understand it, a man who makes large bets based only on the word of the other person (or maybe a handshake) and for him to disregard ethics in this case seems contrary to that line of reason.

Cody

[Richard Tanner]

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I appriciate what you're saying, but poker is a game based on ethics.

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Where did you get this crazy idea? Poker is based on bluffing. That is why these situations come up. If you play the game trying to get your opponent to fold the winner during the hand, how far of a stretch is it to get him to fold the winner after the hand?

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Completely different situations. Football is a game of aggression but you are expected to act normally in between whistles. Similar to poker, you lie, cheat, and steal withen the parameters of the game but allowing a winning hand not to get the pot isn't part of the game, it's at best and angle shoot and at worst against the tournement rules (depending on the published rules for the event).

[Richard Tanner]

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I believe its two plus twos own Dr. Al that has repeated many times that poker is a predatory game. My comments about giving 20:1 were tongue in cheek but the suppostion that anywhere near 100% of pros would take the "high road" was way off as has been demonstrated many many times in the B&M forum.


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Sad, very sad.

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One last note for this thread, many of you would do well to follow CSC's example by showing some tact and respect for people who have differing opinions and motivations. It's classy and its smart, rampantly insulting people who have differing opinions than you isnt moral, its childish and irritating.

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I'm going to defend both myself here and those others this may be directed at. I don't recall attacking anyone but I did say at a few points that I found people's opinions on this topic scary or dangerous, and I stand by that. If you and I both played street basketball and I said something like "I call a foul on the other team just to get the ball back everytime if I miss" you would most likely respond the way I did. The prospect of someone taking advantage of the rules of a game using ethical violations will likely illicit the same response.
As for those people saying he's a "cheater" or that "he got what he deserved", eh there are worse insults, but these are probably uncalled for.

Cody

[MeanGreenTT]

If you weren't "wrong" then why...

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I will readily admit I knew what I was doing. I knew he had 4s full, and I take no shame in not bringing it to his immediate attention.

Upon other players mentioning it and the floor being called, however, I fully acknowledged it and recreated the pot within 10 seconds to give him his chips.

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and why did it take 3 (or more) people to "call out" what was right for you to own up to the same... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[WarDekar]

And as I have said many a times in this thread, my question wasn't on my moral obligation at the show-down. My question was regarding the floor ruling.

So get over the fact that I raked the pot to begin with, and why don't you hone in on the question I asked.

[WarDekar]

If you thought my line was bad on this hand (which it wasn't, considering villian didn't realize what he had and was not the aggressor at all), you should see some the rest of the field...

Edit: And regardless of whether or not he was the aggressor, (note: I can't remember the exact bets, but I believe I'm correct on this) it was raised pre-flop (he called 49TJ), checked flop, bet turn when I made nut flush and un-counterfeitable low draw.

And yes, if you want equity play the split pot tourneys...

[MeanGreenTT]

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And as I have said many a times in this thread, my question wasn't on my moral obligation at the show-down. My question was regarding the floor ruling.

So get over the fact that I raked the pot to begin with, and why don't you hone in on the question I asked.

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LOL...all you want is for people to aggree with you, so why bother posting or responding in the first place....get over yourself [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Masquerade]

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I agree. I would think a lot (if not most?) would have had a similar line as mine on this. And I think a lot of the naysayers on this board would have as well if they were in my position.

In fact, I think if put to the test, some of the guys berating my actions would have even contested the floor decision as well. It's a lot easier to say what you WOULD have done than actually being in that spot.

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I hope you're wrong about that. If I saw I were beaten I would point it out to the dealer immediately and ensure the pot went the right way.

[bocablkr]

I was once in a similar situation except I told the guy he had a full house as he was mucking his cards. It cost me half the pot. Remember one word - karma.