Jewish poker professionals

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this is dumb. I went to school with mostly jews. I see a lot of them play poker now and they suck. I was smarter than them back then, and I'm smarter than them now.

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This is impossible

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"Race" is not an accurate term to apply to Jews. Tribe is probably a little closer. Jews are Jews by birth as long as their mothers were Jewish. It does not matter what they do or do not believe or do or do not practice. It is also possible to become a Jew by conversion, but few do, because there is little reason to. Being a Jew is not analogous to being a Christian or a Muslim, since being a Jew is a matter of birth, and no particular religious belief is required of those who are born Jews. There is also of course a body of religious practices which are called Judaism, and it is possible for those who are not born Jews to adopt them and to become Jews (converted Jews are accepted on the same footing as those who are born Jews, and the children of women who converted to Judaism are born Jews).


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Lets say my dad is a member of X religion, and my mom is a jew. According to X religion, if my father is of X religion I am X and ONLY X. However according to "judaism" I am jewish. Who is right?

Oh wait, this is no answer because religion, heredity, and tribalism is fictional and socially constructed. So my ancestors can [censored] right off.

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this is dumb. I went to school with mostly jews. I see a lot of them play poker now and they suck. I was smarter than them back then, and I'm smarter than them now.


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This is impossible

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You = Owned by science.

[LittleOldLady]

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A jew is a jew by religion only. It is not a race. If a person in the year 1200 converted to judaism and is now the great great great grandfather of thousands of jews, would we even know? There could be hundreds of thousands of jews that are the product of converts.

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The word "race" is a problematic one--it refers to a cultural construct, not to anything biological or genetic. The descent from innumerable generations of fathers is irrelevant as to who is a Jew. Jews are matrilineal--Jews are the children of Jewish mothers. Their fathers may or may not be Jewish--it doesn't matter.

Further recent studies of DNA (both mitochondrial and Y-chromosome) have verified that Jews do in fact constitute a distinct gene pool (well, there are some differences between the genetic profiles of Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews). DNA studies have even verified that those families (like my own paternal family)that have maintained the traditional identity of Kohanim (high priests) through the millennia are in fact linked by distinctive patterns of DNA on the Y-chromosome. Of course, there have been converts and also Jewish women have been long subject to rape by hostile populations--and these factors have introduced various genes into the patterns of Jewish DNA. This can certainly be seen in the physical appearance of Jews. Not all of us look Levantine (Middle Eastern). I myself have extremely fair skin, gray eyes, and the smallest, straightest nose on the planet (no rhinoplasty needed). But essentially modern genetics has told the Jews that we are who we think we are.

[Sparta45]

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Wow. I'm not offended by your post because I don't think you meant any malice at all, but if you have no idea what you're talking about, you really should just refrain from making posts like this.

Anyway, Jewish people are not a race. If they are, what "race" do you think they belong to? I suppose the "Jewish" race, right?? First cousin's to the "Christian" race, the "Muslim" race, the "Hindu" race, and the other races.....

Judiasm is a religion. I'm not going to try to "prove" this is correct, but let's just say that if anyone cares, 5 minutes of internet research will prove this.

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Obviously you ARE offended. But that's ok, because I used to run around spreading the same misinformation you're posting, but then I learned the truth. That a Jew is in fact both a label for ones ethnicity AND ones religion. I guess you missed it when I posted the definition for the word which clearly describes ethnic descent as a qualifier. I never said Jews were a race, because they're not. Like little old lady said, they are better described as a tribe. Anyone who is a Jew by blood and not only by religion can be traced back to middle eastern ancestory. Why do you think Jews share similar physical features common to Arabs, despite being dispersed all throughout the world. Coincidence? Think again.

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With that being said, I did not know that the Grinder was Israeli. However, even if he is, it doesn't mean he's Jewish. Many Israeli citizens are not Jewish. Many of them are Christians, many of them are Muslims. Most of them are in fact Jewish, but a good percent of them are not. I don't know what the % breakdown is, but my point is that he may very well not be Jewish....I really don't know.

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Again, I'm not refering to "Jew" as merely a person practicing the religion. I know that not everyone living in Israel is a Jew by religion OR ethnicity. I was refering to blood lines.

Israelite ( P ) Pronunciation Key (zr--lt)
n.
1 - A native or inhabitant of the ancient Northern Kingdom of Israel.
2 - A descendant of Jacob; a Jew.
3 - A member of a people regarded as the chosen people of God.
4 - A Jew not descended from the tribe of Levi and not a priest.

Do us all a favor and realize the truth of this matter. The "your only a Jew if you practice the religion" philosophy is propaganda created by self-hating Jews trying to prove that they are gentile (not saying that is your motive).

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Are these the Jews you are referring to that look like arabs?? They don't look like arabs to me, but I'll defer to you since you are the expert and all...

Ethiopian Jews

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Further recent studies of DNA (both mitochondrial and Y-chromosome) have verified that Jews do in fact constitute a distinct gene pool (well, there are some differences between the genetic profiles of Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews). DNA studies have even verified that those families (like my own paternal family)that have maintained the traditional identity of Kohanim (high priests) through the millennia are in fact linked by distinctive patterns of DNA on the Y-chromosome. Of course, there have been converts and also Jewish women have been long subject to rape by hostile populations--and these factors have introduced various genes into the patterns of Jewish DNA. This can certainly be seen in the physical appearance of Jews. Not all of us look Levantine (Middle Eastern). I myself have extremely fair skin, gray eyes, and the smallest, straightest nose on the planet (no rhinoplasty needed). But essentially modern genetics has told the Jews that we are who we think we are.

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Link?

[Basilvdk]

Here's a link regarding the Cohanim [Kohanim]. Really interesting study. I found out a couple of years ago that I am a Cohen [we're not a very observant family [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ], and started looking up some info and came across the study of Cohanim genetics.
http://www.aish.com/societywork/scie...connection.asp

Of course, I've broken pretty much every rule of the Cohanim. Married a convert? check. Been to graveyards? Check.

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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I was thinking about the parallels between he and Ungar last night and the question came to mind.

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How far did you get?

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Super aggressive 21-year olds who entered and won their second major tournaments (Ungar WSOP 1980, Schulman World Poker Final). Both are from New York, both played another game professionally before poker, both register pretty damn high on the IQ scale and if Nick's jewish, that could be a similar link.

btw, Schulman as a name doesn't make things automatic.

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Based on everything I know about Unger, and based on the couple times I've talked to Schulman as well as everything I've heard from everybody who knows him, Schulman is in no way shape or form like Unger (beyond some coincidental biogrpahical overlap)

[HDPM]

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What about asians? what is their domain of PWnership?

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I don't know about online and in the live games around the world, but the poker players on tv look like the UN to me.

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Bellagio poker room on Christmas. It is like the UN with Israel, non-Israeli Jews, Arabs, Iranians/Persians, and Asians overrepresented. People get along better and don't do as many nutty things as at the UN though. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Fly]

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this is dumb. I went to school with mostly jews. I see a lot of them play poker now and they suck. I was smarter than them back then, and I'm smarter than them now.

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In no way does this disprove or contradict what I wrote.