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#81
12-06-2006, 07:26 PM
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Re: What prevents evolution?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] At some point inthe future either population A or poulation B will constitute 100% of the population. This is genetic drift due to randomness in the environment, as long as there is a differnece in reproductive success there will be change, it requires a mechanism to stop what would otherwise become a mathenmatical certainty given enough permeations. [/ QUOTE ] One mechanism that stops this completely hypothetical process from occurring in the real world is the increasing infertility among the members of the genetically drifting population that accompanies their individual divergence from the original stock. [/ QUOTE ] So...speciation prevents evolution? Extinction prevents evolution? [/ QUOTE ] Speciation causes infertility. [/ QUOTE ] You, my friend, are not just stupid. You are REALLY, REALLY stupid. And this isn't even ignorance; it's flat out, clear cut, no bones about it, stupidity. Your post makes absolute zero sense. none. There is NO SPECIATION IN THIS EXAMPLE. I don't know where you see it. In fact, I don't really believe you do. I think you operate a lot like the poker site support centers. You see a few key words, you find the closest match to one of your set repertoire of responses, and you fire off your reply regardless of whether it has any bearing whatsoever on the subject at hand. I've seen AI conversation programs that can carry on a discussion SIGNIFICANTLY better than you. I'd like to think that your responses have provided some insight into the minds of the average creationist, but I don't think they do. I have to believe (for the sake of sanity, if nothing else) that you are significantly less discerning than most creationists. Even most YEC's. Christ, at least many of them take positions like 'god is testing us'. I mean, you're just certifiable. It's like Bizarro world. It's like trolling. Glad I got that off my chest. If only there were some way to block a poster AND replies... [/ QUOTE ] Are you talking to me? In any case, keep it civil. Lose the insults. 
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#84
12-06-2006, 07:40 PM
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Re: What prevents evolution?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] At some point inthe future either population A or poulation B will constitute 100% of the population. This is genetic drift due to randomness in the environment, as long as there is a differnece in reproductive success there will be change, it requires a mechanism to stop what would otherwise become a mathenmatical certainty given enough permeations. [/ QUOTE ] One mechanism that stops this completely hypothetical process from occurring in the real world is the increasing infertility among the members of the genetically drifting population that accompanies their individual divergence from the original stock. [/ QUOTE ] So...speciation prevents evolution? Extinction prevents evolution? [/ QUOTE ] Speciation causes infertility. [/ QUOTE ] You, my friend, are not just stupid. You are REALLY, REALLY stupid. And this isn't even ignorance; it's flat out, clear cut, no bones about it, stupidity. Your post makes absolute zero sense. none. There is NO SPECIATION IN THIS EXAMPLE. I don't know where you see it. In fact, I don't really believe you do. I think you operate a lot like the poker site support centers. You see a few key words, you find the closest match to one of your set repertoire of responses, and you fire off your reply regardless of whether it has any bearing whatsoever on the subject at hand. I've seen AI conversation programs that can carry on a discussion SIGNIFICANTLY better than you. I'd like to think that your responses have provided some insight into the minds of the average creationist, but I don't think they do. I have to believe (for the sake of sanity, if nothing else) that you are significantly less discerning than most creationists. Even most YEC's. Christ, at least many of them take positions like 'god is testing us'. I mean, you're just certifiable. It's like Bizarro world. It's like trolling. Glad I got that off my chest. If only there were some way to block a poster AND replies... [/ QUOTE ] Are you talking to me? In any case, keep it civil. Lose the insults. [/ QUOTE ] Better yet, give me something substantial to respond to.
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#85
12-06-2006, 07:43 PM
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Re: What prevents evolution?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] At some point inthe future either population A or poulation B will constitute 100% of the population. This is genetic drift due to randomness in the environment, as long as there is a differnece in reproductive success there will be change, it requires a mechanism to stop what would otherwise become a mathenmatical certainty given enough permeations. [/ QUOTE ] One mechanism that stops this completely hypothetical process from occurring in the real world is the increasing infertility among the members of the genetically drifting population that accompanies their individual divergence from the original stock. [/ QUOTE ] So...speciation prevents evolution? Extinction prevents evolution? [/ QUOTE ] Speciation causes infertility. [/ QUOTE ] You, my friend, are not just stupid. You are REALLY, REALLY stupid. And this isn't even ignorance; it's flat out, clear cut, no bones about it, stupidity. Your post makes absolute zero sense. none. There is NO SPECIATION IN THIS EXAMPLE. I don't know where you see it. In fact, I don't really believe you do. I think you operate a lot like the poker site support centers. You see a few key words, you find the closest match to one of your set repertoire of responses, and you fire off your reply regardless of whether it has any bearing whatsoever on the subject at hand. I've seen AI conversation programs that can carry on a discussion SIGNIFICANTLY better than you. I'd like to think that your responses have provided some insight into the minds of the average creationist, but I don't think they do. I have to believe (for the sake of sanity, if nothing else) that you are significantly less discerning than most creationists. Even most YEC's. Christ, at least many of them take positions like 'god is testing us'. I mean, you're just certifiable. It's like Bizarro world. It's like trolling. Glad I got that off my chest. If only there were some way to block a poster AND replies... [/ QUOTE ] Vis Habebatur (Ah, I feel like boro [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )
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#86
12-06-2006, 08:06 PM
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Re: What prevents evolution?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] At some point inthe future either population A or poulation B will constitute 100% of the population. This is genetic drift due to randomness in the environment, as long as there is a differnece in reproductive success there will be change, it requires a mechanism to stop what would otherwise become a mathenmatical certainty given enough permeations. [/ QUOTE ] One mechanism that stops this completely hypothetical process from occurring in the real world is the increasing infertility among the members of the genetically drifting population that accompanies their individual divergence from the original stock. [/ QUOTE ] So...speciation prevents evolution? Extinction prevents evolution? [/ QUOTE ] Speciation causes infertility. [/ QUOTE ] You, my friend, are not just stupid. You are REALLY, REALLY stupid. And this isn't even ignorance; it's flat out, clear cut, no bones about it, stupidity. Your post makes absolute zero sense. none. There is NO SPECIATION IN THIS EXAMPLE. I don't know where you see it. In fact, I don't really believe you do. I think you operate a lot like the poker site support centers. You see a few key words, you find the closest match to one of your set repertoire of responses, and you fire off your reply regardless of whether it has any bearing whatsoever on the subject at hand. I've seen AI conversation programs that can carry on a discussion SIGNIFICANTLY better than you. I'd like to think that your responses have provided some insight into the minds of the average creationist, but I don't think they do. I have to believe (for the sake of sanity, if nothing else) that you are significantly less discerning than most creationists. Even most YEC's. Christ, at least many of them take positions like 'god is testing us'. I mean, you're just certifiable. It's like Bizarro world. It's like trolling. Glad I got that off my chest. If only there were some way to block a poster AND replies... [/ QUOTE ] Vis Habebatur (Ah, I feel like boro [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) [/ QUOTE ] Dang. I don't know latin and can't find the translation [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Again, sorry for what can be construed as an unneccesary personal slander. To skidoo...there is no point in giving you anything to respond to. If you'd like to try, you may respond to the fact that your two objections to the turtle example both missed the mark, in that neither speciation nor fertility play any role in the example. When I said 'stupid', what I should have said was 'your replies bear no relationship to the arguments being made'. Obviously, I have no reason to believe that you are in any way unintelligent. Somehow, I find the shorthand less offensive, but whatever. I shall endeavor to contain my frustration in all future posts [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].
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#88
12-06-2006, 08:41 PM
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Re: What prevents evolution?
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To skidoo...there is no point in giving you anything to respond to. If you'd like to try, you may respond to the fact that your two objections to the turtle example both missed the mark, in that neither speciation nor fertility play any role in the example. [/ QUOTE ] arahant: I'm trying to have a coherent conversation here, but you are making that difficult. Before responding to a post, you need to make sure it says what you think it does. My comments were directed to the general case of a particular aspect of the example provided, as indicated by my selective quotation.
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#89
12-06-2006, 09:17 PM
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Re: What prevents evolution?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] At some point inthe future either population A or poulation B will constitute 100% of the population. This is genetic drift due to randomness in the environment, as long as there is a differnece in reproductive success there will be change, it requires a mechanism to stop what would otherwise become a mathenmatical certainty given enough permeations. [/ QUOTE ] One mechanism that stops this completely hypothetical process from occurring in the real world is the increasing infertility among the members of the genetically drifting population that accompanies their individual divergence from the original stock. [/ QUOTE ] So...speciation prevents evolution? Extinction prevents evolution? [/ QUOTE ] Speciation causes infertility. [/ QUOTE ] I think you're backwards there. Also, how do individuals become infertile with each other?
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#90
12-07-2006, 08:30 PM
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Re: What prevents evolution?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] At some point inthe future either population A or poulation B will constitute 100% of the population. This is genetic drift due to randomness in the environment, as long as there is a differnece in reproductive success there will be change, it requires a mechanism to stop what would otherwise become a mathenmatical certainty given enough permeations. [/ QUOTE ] One mechanism that stops this completely hypothetical process from occurring in the real world is the increasing infertility among the members of the genetically drifting population that accompanies their individual divergence from the original stock. [/ QUOTE ] So...speciation prevents evolution? Extinction prevents evolution? [/ QUOTE ] Speciation causes infertility. [/ QUOTE ] I think you're backwards there. Also, how do individuals become infertile with each other? [/ QUOTE ] Mutation, of course.
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