Ftp stole my money

[dknightx]

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THERE ARE NO OTHER DIFFERENCES OTHER THAN THE REPUTATION OF THE OP.

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It is clear that you have not been paying attention to the details [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Sorry, no differences other than the reputation of the OP and OP's ability to form intelligent and compelling sentences. Which admittedly is a big difference. What I meant by no difference, was differences in the basic fact at hand. Poster claims not have cheated, Gambling Site claims OP cheated.

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I suggest you review the threads again... you will see clear differences...

Also, reputation didn't save Zee Justin...

Your conclusion is faulty!

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thats because Zee Justin partially admitted to his crimes, AND the sites provided sufficient evidence, instead of some hand waving about fraud CC and chip dumping.

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thats because Zee Justin partially admitted to his crimes, AND the sites provided sufficient evidence, instead of some hand waving about fraud CC and chip dumping.

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You call 8 fraudsters chip dumping to a new player, in a very short period of time, across 2 accounts, hand waving? LOL

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Ok fair enough correction,you state the only difference is in reputation and speaking abilty.I disagree.I believe there are clear differences in the actual circumstances of the individual cases.But we can agree to disagree.I do however agree with you that in general these situations could and should be handled better by the sites in question without a doubt.

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Because they can.
Getting a credit card number is easy. Turning that money into cash in hand, is not. Griefing some other person out of tens of thousands of dollars is enjoyable to many people. More so, when that pool of people is the type that would steal a credit card.

Let's say you are a high limit profitable player, but you've never been able to beat PlayerX who is draining a lot of fish dry before you get to them. As it stands right now, what is to stop you from getting a credit card number and a friend to dump $10k to PlayerX as suspiciously as possible? Nothing. There is no consequence at all. No threat of prosecution, and you'll increase your own personal yearly winnings if that player is gone.
What if you know PlayerX in real life and have a grudge?

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I can't argue with much of this, but I submit that it is much harder than you think to get valid credit card numbers. I'm not sure how prevalent credit card fraud is in other countries, but since most American credit cards cannot be used to make a deposit on a site like Full Tilt I would guess that this cuts the number of numbers available for this purpose down to the point where it's hardly worth being concerned about someone screwing you over for fun or to get rid of one good player at his limits.

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The US government's stance is that offshore sites are shady. You are claiming that a site's willingness to clean up the industry by prosecuting thieves would somehow make the industry look more suspect? Please explain.

Seems to me that the lack of proper self-policing by the industry and their ability to confiscate tens of thousands of dollars from citizens with no explanation are the stongest arguments for banning/regulation that the US government has.

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Well perhaps I'm wrong on this one. It is possible that the sites' position could be improved by showing that they are stopping money launderers and fraudsters.

[dknightx]

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thats because Zee Justin partially admitted to his crimes, AND the sites provided sufficient evidence, instead of some hand waving about fraud CC and chip dumping.

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You call "8" "fraudsters" "chip dumping" to a new player, in a very short period of time, across 2 accounts, hand waving? LOL

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FYP

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As far as I'm concerned Full Tilt has cleared this matter up . All the problems I have had with them have been handled quickly and satisfactorily. Since I don't plan on committing fraud or opening a second account or running my roll up 20 fold and cashing every cent out I shouldn't raise any flags and should never come across a problem such as this. [ QUOTE ]
Wow....I guess you are not very fussy then. I am starting to believe that you are in some way involved with FTP. Why do you believe its ok for a company to accuse you of something and then not have to show some evidence to back up the claims???

I really cannot see how you think that this has been handled and cleared up by FTP satisfactory....that crazy (unless you have ulterior motives?)

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There is no way to prove that eric wasn't provided that hand histories via email. Eric is too dumb to even recognize that as proof even if it were sent to him. And explaining exactly how those HHs represent chip dumping would prove to be a very large detriment in future investigations.

I never said that Full Tilt handled this matter satisfatorily, just that they had cleared it up. The matter took too long to be resolved without enough communication with the accused in the meantime.

Trust is such an important issue in a situation like this. Trust can be earned in a number of ways. In the latest UB thread Good2cu has earned my trust from his actions and interactions in the past on these forums. FTPDoug has my trust because he has helped several others in eric's situation in the past as well as handling our suggestions to Full Tilt. Eric has earned my distrust by refusing to answer questions, not acting promptly in this matter, outright lying, his sketchy memory about the details of the run of his life, and changing his story so many times. When you combine the level of trust that Doug has earned with how sketchy Eric seems, Full Tilt has done all I require it to do to convince me they are in the right in this matter.

Furthermore, Doug has said that they are revamping their security department. I am hoping that this will lead to these matters being processed much more quickly with more concern for their customers and fewer mistakes.

[ShakeZula06]

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Who the [censored] gave anyone the power to be the judge, jury, and the prosecutor huh?

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You did, when you agreed to Full Tilt's T&C's.

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If it were the US, and he agreed to those types of T&Cs, which everybody agrees to on an every day basis with all kinds of transactions, you can ALWAYS challenge them in court.

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What's your point?

[ShakeZula06]

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I then suppose that if you the owner on one of these companies you must be rubbing your hands together and saying the old Mr Burns line.....EXCELLENT! Becuase quite simply you are in a no lose situation. If you even suspect a player has been chip dumped or whatever, you can simply ban them and confiscate their funds without having to answer to anyone as to why you did this. That alone is a very scary thought...then add onto the top of that, that you may have a bungling or corrupt person in your fraud department and you have a nightmare for players because what can they do about it????????????? NOTHING. How can that be correct?????
Very Scary

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Thanks for showing to everyone in this thread that you don't understand how capitalism works.

[ShakeZula06]

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What I was trying to say was that they simply never have to be accountable for their actions. That alone is very unprofessional IMO.

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lol

[Gregg777]

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To sum it up, I personally will not play on a site where this treatment of a player can happen so easily and the company can get away with whatever they like and not be forced to backup anything they say. So I am now staying well away from FTP and UB because of these incidents. I will stick to sites like AP and PS who obviously care about their customers and help if problems arise.

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See if you can comprehend the following statement:

Eric admitted to opening mutiple accounts, and that alone is grounds for closing his accounts.

Get it?

You keep arguing all of this other BS when it doesn't even matter.

I was harping on FT as hard as anyone, but continually defending Eric shows your culpability or lack of intelligence, take your pick [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]