Ftp stole my money

[limitninja]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post5874237
try this link, sorry

[limitninja]

I agree that he might be well know Finnish player and Eric is a hillybilly inbreeder from PA, all i am saying that it is possible for a situation to occur where many fraudulant accounts are involved against non suspecting player at one table

[Gotmilk]

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post5874237
try this link, sorry

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wow missed that thread originally. almost exact same thing as ericjones. sucks for ericjones he has no rep with anybody and isn't very effective at defending himself. reading that thread again makes me wonder how people take the poker site's side on these issues. The fact they lose so much on fraud alone is huge motivation for them to rule in their own favor in these cases--especially if there are no watchdogs. I'm

Don't convict ericjones just because he doesn't present himself intelligently. Not everyone has the skills to do so, and not possessing those skills doesn't make someone immediately guilty. really disappointed in all the 2+2ers who don't hold the poker sites to the highest standards for burden of proof. As players we can't/shouldn't cut them any slack ever on issues like this. If this thread were 100% in demanding proof from FTP it would be hard for them to ignore, but everyone makes so much money playing on FTP noone is willing to touch their cashcow.

[Gotmilk]

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There is another post with UB stealing someones 20k, interesting to see there how everyone is accusing the site and noone asks the player anything serious, besides some idiotic coments by donkey fishes.
Oh I guess thats because the guy has over 1000 posts, I am sorry I missed that

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Good2cu is a regular in the STT forum and a great number of people in that thread actually know him. I and many others have a great deal of faith in his honesty in this matter.

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So people without reputations don't deserve a full investigation? This kind of elitism makes me sick. A FTP announced investigation is obviously not a full investigation. They other false convicts were able to get support because they had reputations, but FTP can screw this guy over just because nobody knows who he is, and he's not eloquent in his own defense?

Just because the guy seems guilty doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a full defense. Everybody keeps asking him innane questions and then convicting him because he doesn't answer. I haven't seen any truly pertinent questions from anybody, in fact they all appear to be questions from people trying to be smart and trap him in lies, rather than getting to the bottom of the issue, and when he can't answer with any intelligence people scream he's hiding something. Yet there is tons of precedence for FTP to just bend innocent people over just for being unlucky (getting in a game with fraudsters).

Sure, he's probably guilty. But what is so hard to believe that he's : A.)Not a huge internet nerd with tons of experience dealing with forum readers/particpants B.) Not a huge poker nerd with tons of experience remembering details in hands and recording hand histories C.) Is a degenerate gambler that deposited $600 and went on a huge rush vs credit card fraudsters.

That scenario, however minutely possible it is, should be enough to get all of your guys' blood boiling. But instead of demanding accountability from the poker site, everyone roasts the newbie. And that's compounded by his complete lack of ability to communicate in any sort of effective manner.

And I don't want to sound naive for "believing the fraudster". It's the principle of it--I think we should vigorously defend any player related complaint here and direct FULL burden of proof on the poker site, because if we don't nobody will.

[limitninja]

I wonder if he communicated eloquetly with other 8 fraudsters to convince them to participate in the operation, and afterwards, explaining how he blew the money
lol

[limitninja]

i am sorry eloquently [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
thats for the grammar freaks lol

[limitninja]

Eric, lets do another one of these scams, ninja needs the money

[yellowjack]

One of many huge differences between eric and ITILTEZ is that ITILTEZ wasn't angry at anyone who questioned his honesty in the matter. That's a bit of an indicator.

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Eric - many people have asked you many Q's regarding your playing habits, what you were doing, why you set up a 2nd account, etc etc. And you have refused to answer almost all of those Q's.



Saying that others besides Doug are clearly FTP employees isn't helping your case at all.

You had our ear. Even being doubted as you were/are I think almost all of us were somewhat willing to listen.
Many of us are extremely unimpressed by FT's performance in this situation and we really want to know what you have to say beyond, "FTP hasn't proven anything."

But you keep refusing to answer even the simplest of Q's or even acknowledge that they were asked in the first place.
For many of us, this fact and your tone speaks volumes.

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I think this is a very good post. I agree eric, I think you should sit down and really try hard to think about what happened, how it happened, Basically the post that Jan made earlier that had around 10 good questions on. Without losing your temper. This would help your case on here significantly and the more support you have, the more chance you have of getting some closure.

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There are 800+ posts in this thread and 11K+ views. You have gotten the attention of a LOT of people who apparently have an interest in the outcome.

You have the floor! All you have to do is prove your credibility, and so far you haven't done that. We know NOTHING more about you today than we knew about you the day your started this thread! Why are you not doing anything to further your credibility? If you really want to "raise public awareness", one would think you would go out of your way to prove you are a credible person.

Instead, all you do is yap about FTP showing you proof. Prove to us that you are credible! Give us some information! Until you do, no one is going to believe you.

Jan

[Jan]

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post5874237
try this link, sorry

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wow missed that thread originally. almost exact same thing as ericjones.

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Actually, I see a HUGE difference between the two. Namely, ITILTEZ posted to the forum immediately after having his account frozen, not 2 1/2 months later. The other HUGE difference is that ITILTEZ wanted ALL his money; the WHOLE 21K! Never once did he say he would settle for just his deposit.

He also obtained a lawyer to get his money. He must have been pretty confident in his innocence, and he proactively took steps to retrieve what he felt was righfully his.



Jan