Official August Thread: General Discussion,etc

[ipokeder]

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So you are basically only making money because other people are not taking advantage of the poor design that you are taking advantage of. So you are just leeching off of other people's good behaviour. So that is wrong. So you should stop.

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lol? this is nonsense and no moral implications follow. there is no morality in choosing not to shortstack, so how could you possibly consider it leeching off of other peoples' goodness?

and [censored], if you want to try this one, how about exploiting compulsive gamblers and fish who can't afford the money etc etc, list goes on forever, poker does not work with this kind of rationale.

[TheWorstPlayer]

yes it does. but i'm sorry you don't understand that.

what if pokerstars, for instance, said: "We know that short stacking should not be in the game. We are planning on removing it from PokerStars. But due to technical difficulties, we cannot do so for a month. We have a policy of not prohibiting something which the software allows, so we are not making short stacking against the rules yet. But we don't think it should be allowed, we plan on making it not allowed, and we would like it if people wouldn't do it."

Then would there be anything wrong with short stacking on PokerStars?

[soah]

if everyone played with 20bb the best players would still win... just look at all the bad shortstackers out there

a more accurate statement would be that if everyone at the table is equally skilled, then the player with the shortest stack will have an edge over the others

[Jeffmet3]

if you really think that it does, then you should freshen up you're history books


look at the examples.

short stacking will not result in the end of poker or the corruption of poker. it will merely change it.

[ipokeder]

no more than working at mcdonalds would be if the president publicly denounced working at fast food restaurants for obesifying and ultimately heart-attack-murdering our youth

[tcorbin16]

dearest ipoke,

your latests posts have made me tilt and go

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sincerely,

corbin

[PerDoom]

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dearest ipoke,

your latests posts have made me tilt and go

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dfjlsa
dfksdla;
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]asdfi0og5ejyupowjkpjdsklfjadsklfjti9jgaslkdfj
sadjklfasdjklfsadjkfdsa;

sincerely,

corbin

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a+

[soah]

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dearest ipoke,

your latests posts have made me tilt and go

fdjlkasdsa
fjsa
dfjlsa
dfksdla;
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]asdfi0og5ejyupowjkpjdsklfjadsklfjti9jgaslkdfj
sadjklfasdjklfsadjkfdsa;

sincerely,

corbin

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JeffBoston: raises $6 to $12
trplthrt said, "lame"
trplthrt said, "draws broken"
Raakile: folds
trplthrt said, "nhnhnh"
soah2: folds
LK_Revolt: folds
trplthrt said, "[fwhefoehf"
trplthrt said, "gid"
trplthrt said, "dgrj'io"
JeffBoston collected $15 from pot

I found you!

pretty sure there were a few more lines but chat from between hands doesn't get saved in any hh, so it's a definite match here

[MDMA]

Oh man I hate that everyone attacks whatever I write (or not everyone, people that feel that I have offended them some time in the past), since I just get involved writing way more than I want to.

First of all: Of course I can criticize and still make the claim I made, saying otherwise is ridiculous. Just because ratholing is within the rules of online poker (currently), it doesn't mean I have to like it. I don't think you get it; I haven't even once claimed that people have any legal RIGHT to berate imsakidd or whatever you think I'm saying, I'm just saying that since everybody KNOWS he's getting an AUTOMATIC edge against them given the incompability of being able to play two ranges at once makes people pissed off, since they feel not everyone is entering the game with the same starting situation and that the shortstacker has an inherent advantage due to this, which IS true. Online poker, if EVERYBODY shortstacked (which IS optimal given the flawed construction), would be dead IMMEDIATELY. As it is now, it is only working because a vast majority is, which is of course technically really stupid, continueing to play what they consider "poker" (i.e fullstacked), and thus continue to feed the shortstacks.

You seem to not understand that I reacted to Imsakidd being annoyed that people got angry at him at the tables. You see, shortstacking is exploiting a flaw in the game that in the end takes THEIR money in a way that they feel is unjust, i.e they are at, as I said, an INHERENT DISADVANTAGE DUE TO HOW POKER WITH VERY SMALL VS. BIGGER STACKS WORKS, and thus regardless of their skill or understanding of the game, they cannot do ANYTHING about it EXCEPT to shortstack themselves. And yes, once again, if poker was to be put into a "perfect economy"-kinda system, then everybody would shortstack right now, hands down, and the games would have dried up until changes were made.

I never said anything about blame and/or rules or legalities; I just clarified for him that people being annoyed/angry at him using an exploit that is effectively costing THEM money without them being able to do much about it is not strange and something that is to be expected.

Furthermore, I also reacted when he said "Its the way I want to play", since by that logic poker would not exist today if people were smarter and picked up on this. It's in his INTEREST to express shortstacking this way, that it's a non-standard non-2p2 strategy that he has choosen to play and that's it; of course he doesn't want to educate any of you in that shortstacking is in the current form of poker, in mixed games of short and big stacks, dominating the choice of playing with a full buyin under almost all circumstances (exceptions being when theres a deep huge fish in the game for example), simply because of others having to do (impossible) adjustments that the shortstack doesn't have to consider.

Yes, the legal blame lies with the pokersites, and so does the creation of rules of course.

The fact that Imsakidd doesnt break any rules doesn't mean hes off the hook from other players though, and that is all I have been saying, although you for some reason think that I and others are not allowed to dislike Imsakidd immensly for what he is doing at our cost.

In conclusion, your final paragraph shows that you do not understand what shortstacking is about. None of my logical points would lead to shortstacking behind "bad" because it requires no skill, nor because it bereaves fullstack players of part of their edge. The fact that it requires (relatively) little to no skill would only become a problem in the today "optimal" games, i.e all shortstacks, and is not the issue in the mixed games today, and it has DEFINITELY nothing to with lessening the impact of more skilled fullstackers edge. So yes, you definitely misconstructed your point, and I'm fairly sure you simply aren't aware of in what way and how shortstackers are exploiting you, this based on what kind of words/factors you are concentrating on when discussing relevant factors of shortstacking.

[Jeffmet3]

ok, you win. im not going to read that.