Never Trust Anyone

[DVO]

Funny you mention Hellmuth.

Given this thread, and the antics of Boyd, Matusow et al....

he ain't looking so bad.

Never thought I'd say that.

I need a shower after reading all this.

[JokerArmy]

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Is there 1 famous poker player that isn't a bit shady? even Doyle and Chan have been linked to cheating in the past.

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Gordon Raymer, Hellmuth, Ivey, Ferguson, Harman, Harrington?

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dunno bout Phil Gordon...that note passing w/ Rolan DeWolfe during the FullTilt Initational on Thanksgiving while 3 handed (Toto Leonidas being the other player) looked a bit shady to me.

- JA

[TStoneMBD]

the thread ender for me was when jean-robert said that tf has held 100k for him and that he holds unlimited money for lyle berman. assuming thats actually jr that is.

[ed8383]

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the thread ender for me was when jean-robert said that tf has held 100k for him and that he holds unlimited money for lyle berman. assuming thats actually jr that is.

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jean robert is a big guy. How can you compare jr to the little 24 year old brandi?

[Assani Fisher]

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I'm usually on the side of "too many women cry rape", etc., etc., and inevitably when discussing something like the Duke lacrosse team, I'm the one that gets called a "misogynist", "pig", etc., etc.

[/ QUOTE ]Not trying to totally hijack the thread, but I totally disagree with this. I think many many more rapes go unreported than false claims.

[Jooka]

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Is there 1 famous poker player that isn't a bit shady? even Doyle and Chan have been linked to cheating in the past.

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Gordon Raymer, Hellmuth, Ivey, Ferguson, Harman, Harrington?

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dunno bout Phil Gordon...that note passing w/ Rolan DeWolfe during the FullTilt Initational on Thanksgiving while 3 handed (Toto Leonidas being the other player) looked a bit shady to me.

- JA

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he was writing instructions to his house for turkey dinner.

[fluffpop62]

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I'm usually on the side of "too many women cry rape", etc., etc., and inevitably when discussing something like the Duke lacrosse team, I'm the one that gets called a "misogynist", "pig", etc., etc.

[/ QUOTE ]Not trying to totally hijack the thread, but I totally disagree with this. I think many many more rapes go unreported than false claims.

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Agreed. And it's people who use the "she was asking for it" claim that help this travesty to continue. Just because a girl is attractive and dresses to flatter her figure does not mean she wants to have sex with you.

[Army Eye]

Hey I'd put her in 10k tourneys if I had the money. I'd be crazy not to

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Wed Oct 18 15:37:00 PDT 2006
Mimi Tran Doubles Up
On a board of Jheart7spade4clubKheart, Brandie Hawbaker bets $60,000 and Mimi Tran moves all in for $140,000 more. Hawbaker immediately calls and show Aheart10heart. Tran turns over KdiamondQclub and the river is the 9club. Tran doubles up to nearly $450,000 and Hawbaker is left with around $90,000 chips.


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[okterrific]

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Question for all:

Who really got conned here? Poor lil Brandi by mean ol dirty old man Cpt. Tom? Or all of you who are gullible enough to believe her story with no other corroboration?

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Ive only read the first page and a half of this (currently 30+ pages) and ill never understand why people will always believe a pretty girls sob story so fast.

If a guy said this story no one would believe it . or they would at least wait and see.
That said im not saying shes lieing i just dont get the first few pages of mostly people believing the story right off the bat with out much proof or much questioning

U wonder why so many men get ripped off by pretty girls everyday. It must be so easy for them.

[TrailerParkPimp]

Captain went about it makes a lot of sense:

Essentially, he wanted to sleep with her (of course). But he knew the only way she'd agree to it was if he had some hold over her. Hence he suckered her into giving him her money, and only after that did he then try any funny business with her.

Now she was stuck, cause she couldn't just walk away and lose her money. So she had to hang around him. He gave her 3K as a sign of good faith, thinking that might entice her to sleep with him. When she still wouldn't, he just said screw you, and kept the money.








Looked at in that context, her story makes a lot of sense, and sounds believable. And I'm sure this is the kind of manipulating and controlling strategy that this scumbag has pulled before. It's like pimps getting women addicted to drugs so they can control them.


I have to agree with this version like many others and will say Oski has explained this situation very well. GGB, I admire your persistence for womens rights and moral decency, but as someone who has had and seen many experiences with people of this caliber, I can say that this is a familiar plot line. The names have changed but the story's the same.

And, btw as compelling and thought out your arguments have been, for me to sympathize and empathise with the "Queen of Hearts", It has a struggle--That girl on your profile just keeps shaking that ass and shaking. She is hot and makes me horny. You might want to take that off next time.

This is nothing more than a valiant battle between two hustlers playing an elaborate game here. And like poker, it is a game of incomplete information and we will never get to see the hole cards but we can do our best with the information given and make appropriate reads.

This is how I see it. I can't tell you who put the first move on whom, but I would guess that the Captain being the savvy road filth that he is, saw Ballbreaker shaking that ass around and flashing those hot [censored] on somebody she was hustling and decided he had an easy mark.

Next, I would say Ballbreaker took control of the hand and started posing and flirting with the Captain and basically just making the old codger think he didn't need Viagra anymore. She really put him on tilt before the game even got started. I wouldn't doubt if he didn't just go ahead and drop some money in the pot and get the game going. Ballbreaker probably played a few sattelites on the old man's dime, all the while getting the old scummy all hot and sweaty while she shook that ass around.

At this point, I think Brandi was slowly chipping up and controlling the tempo. Captain probably let it get a little out of control and who knows how long she strung him along all the while just building that stack.

Now it was time for the Captains move. Captain got Ballbreaker to go all in preflop on a draw. Captain was playing Long Ball Poker and Ballbreaker got pot committed. She did have a few outs though. When the flop came out the Captain just checked, and offered Ballbreaker a way out. She could just chuddle or whatever the hell that old bastard calls it. Let's suppose she is dumb enough to think maybe she can just chuddle with the Captain. Its not crazy to believe, I mean she is playing loose and the Captain has been playing pretty tight and hasn't had to show any bluffs.

The turn was a doozy. The Captain held what seemed to be the nuts. And, Ballbreaker was hoping to get out of this hand cheap maybe just maybe catch a miracle card. Her hopes were quickly vanished when the penis hit the back. Ballbreaker went on tilt as the Captain flashed the nuts. He stood tall penis in hand knowing that she was drawing dead. At this point I'm sure the Captain thought the game was over. In his mind it was simple, Make Gramps happy or the pot is mine.

OH but not so soon Captain, after long needed rest under the low hummmm of a broken toilet, Ballbreaker gained her composure and came firing back with threats and scare tactics that frightened the old Captain. The old scummy was road savvy enough to know that there is really nothing more scary than a true nutjob(woman or man, although a woman is really much more threatning in the sense that they can destroy your life and reputaition without violence more effectively)

Ballbreaker now had Captain by the balls. His flush was no good, Ballbreaker was holding a full house. Once again, We don't have complete info so its hard to say, but I would guess that this is when the Captain decided to pay the 3K. Ballbreaker bit and now was being strung along again. It's tough to say how long this went on but I would think that at some point Ballbreaker started playing aggressive again and the Captain would have said at some point that " This crazy bitch aint worth it" , and just gave her the other 9K.

I now see the recent events of this thread to suggest that the Captain is just a miserable excuse for a person, and certainly a bad example of a family man or any man at all. And, that Ballbreaker is nuts and being a nutty hustler is giving the Captain just what he deserves. I would say she is way up in this game now and definitly holds all the cards now.