Player Discussion

[Cancuk]

I'm pretty excited about the book.

[TopThis]

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while As,Qs has 4 outs to beat JJ

But I am such a noob

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at least you know where you stand [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Scotty.]

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I never said I'd call preflop with AQ in that spot. It's all an assumption that the person would call there with AQ.

If we're assuming that we should also assume that in order to make that call you must put your opponent on hands other than AK and AA.

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I agree we should give a wider range than AA/AK.

Given that information, and that only. You raise PF with AQ, you are raised from that and you decide to call. Flop comes K95 and you check. Your opponent bets. What is your action and why?

IMO, no matter what we put our opponent on, it should be a C/F. Again, I'll qualify that I don't play NL, but this seems like a pretty obvious play to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[TopThis]

If we allow opponent to have anything there, then yes you would not play the flop that way but you'd also never get to the flop anyway so it's a moot point.

The question proposed was:

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The question is regardless as to whether it is right or wrong to call the raise, if you do go ahead and call it, which hand would you now rather have. (Of course in reality if you hold the ace-queen you don't know that your opponent holds precisely jacks and vice-versa.)

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I feel like we're just going in a circle here but I can't imagine even having this discussion about what you would do with AQ unless the pretenses are you are calling preflop because you do not put your opponent on AK or AA.

[SuperJez]

Jacks EVERYTIME for me

I can see the AQ being paid on a KJ10 flop thats about it

[Larry David]

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Well the one guy says AQs has higher implied odds, other's say NO. SO lets see. JJ has 2 outs to make it 3 J's , while As,Qs has 4 outs to beat JJ, not including the possible straight and flush draws.

If flop were , Ks,9s,Jc now there are 3 J's ,with 7 outs. As,Qs now has 12 outs, so still it has more implied odds.

So then the question is , does implied odds equal reality ? Seems it doesnt always, cause 2 J's or 3 J's has the hand won already, whereas As, Qs has to hit good to win.

I would have to agree with POSITION POSITION POSITION.
It would be hard to call or raise a Re-raise from a good player with JJ i think. Where as As,Qs I would prolly call to see the flop neways because of the higher implied odds.

But I am such a noob, have only played one for real money tourney and have only gotten to page 38 in your book SSH.
So take it easy on me, besides I took a bad beat tonite in the tourney [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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WOW

[Jeffage]

I thought you didn't discuss hands/strategy at the table.

Jeff

[DoomSlice]

Sometimes much more can be said using fewer words... think about it.

[thekiller]

--i hate to pile on.

YEAH RIGHT.

[amoeba]

even if AQ is able to make JJ fold on K rag rag flop and get a decent flop bet out of JJ on A rag rag or Q rag rag, AQ would lose so much to the other hands in JJ holder's reraising range.

and technically if we are depending on A K or Q to flop to win the hand, we wouldn't even need AQs. any 2 would work.