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#71
03-08-2006, 03:57 PM
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Re: FPHG v0.01 available
I don't think anyone was referring to you (or to PT Pat) when they talked about moneygrubbers and windfall profiteering.
Most of us recognize that your projects are much more complex, not something that was knocked out in a few hours, and that ongoing support is expensive and time consuming. Rest assured that your pricing is not the subject of this debate. 
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#72
03-08-2006, 04:03 PM
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Re: FPHG v0.01 available
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[ QUOTE ] People aren't evil or wrong for trying to make money off their work. I worked on PA Hud full time for five months before charging. I regularly put in 40+ hours a week on support and development. There is no way I could've continued working on it if I wasn't making a little money with it. [/ QUOTE ]I bolded the important parts. I think Juk objected to the $50 pricetag on the day of coding for PHT, when Pokerace costs half that. (I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] PAHud.) -Sam [/ QUOTE ] I think this thread got lost in the discussion: [ QUOTE ] I agree that people should be able to make $ from their software if they so wish, and that the efficient market hypothesis should be the deciding factor on pricing: I have seen poker software selling for 1/2 of this which have obviously had many 100's of man hours going into them, and these are the projects I would like to see succeed, and would happily buy myself. These would be a major bit of software engineering for anybody to undertake. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry if I came across as being a hater of all payware software, as I am not! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] It was just the author tried to claim it was some huge undertaking to grab some memory and dump it to disk (and then try to charge 2x more than PAHUD for about 1% of the man hours). Hope this clears things up - Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#73
03-08-2006, 04:18 PM
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Re: FPHG v0.01 available
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[ QUOTE ] And again I praise the fact itīs free. To many is trying to make money of the moneymakers... [/ QUOTE ] People aren't evil or wrong for trying to make money off their work. I worked on PA Hud full time for five months before charging. I regularly put in 40+ hours a week on support and development. There is no way I could've continued working on it if I wasn't making a little money with it. [/ QUOTE ] Poker Ace is great, I appreciate the work you put into it, and I'm sure everyone else does, also I would have happily paid substantially more for it. Same goes for Poker Tracker, these utilites have been well worth the money many times over. Best Regards Mack
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#75
03-08-2006, 04:31 PM
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Re: FPHG v0.01 available
HA HA HA.
Excellent work and good coding. Much respect for freeware. Even more respect for not changing your name and also not charging ABSOLUTELY CRAZY PRICES for a fairly quick project to put together. Its good to see their are two footballs in the playground that people can play ball with. I always hated the kid with the ONLY football in the play ground who thought he had so much power. Sexual. p.s. Cant msg you, seems there are "quotas" per day.
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#76
03-08-2006, 04:32 PM
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Re: FPHG v0.01 available
[ QUOTE ]
Sorry if I came across as being a hater of all payware software, as I am not! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] It was just the author tried to claim it was some huge undertaking to grab some memory and dump it to disk (and then try to charge 2x more than PAHUD for about 1% of the man hours). [/ QUOTE ] PHT does more than just dump some memory to disk and it did cost me a lot of time to get it done without missing too many hands and without killing the CPU in the process. Reading that memory is just the beginning and getting a user friendly product with different options for different users is another thing. Hats down to PokerAce, I cannot compare myself to his eforts. Congrats to you Juk for your proof of concept, as I said I have nothing against competition. However I do have the bad habit of putting value on my work and not giving it away for free.
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#77
03-08-2006, 05:05 PM
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Re: FPHG v0.01 available
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Sorry if I came across as being a hater of all payware software, as I am not! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] It was just the author tried to claim it was some huge undertaking to grab some memory and dump it to disk (and then try to charge 2x more than PAHUD for about 1% of the man hours). [/ QUOTE ] PHT does more than just dump some memory to disk and it did cost me a lot of time to get it done without missing too many hands and without killing the CPU in the process. Reading that memory is just the beginning and getting a user friendly product with different options for different users is another thing. Hats down to PokerAce, I cannot compare myself to his eforts. Congrats to you Juk for your proof of concept, as I said I have nothing against competition. However I do have the bad habit of putting value on my work and not giving it away for free. [/ QUOTE ] Rather than go over this over and over again, just to prove a point that I haven't singled you out for some malicious reason, please look at the following: (a) Read my post in the 2+2 archives about the Pacific HandGrabber. Any idea why I made this 'stealth' post and asked those particular questions? (b) Then read this page which promotes HandGrabber. If I had wanted then I could have killed that project dead too, but what is the difference between the two? :- (1) It takes vastly longer to work out Pacific's packet format compared to dumping ready made HH files direct from memory. (2) $10 seems pretty fair for all the work that it took. Aesop's fable: The Goose With the Golden Eggs. I am not religious, but do have beliefs, and as I pointed out in the other "post that was just deleted" thread, I stand up for them. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#78
03-08-2006, 05:05 PM
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Re: FPHG v0.01 available
hey juks i assume it doesnt overwrite, just adds if you open say "Table 2" one day. then "Table 2" day later?
WIll add to the text file right? Oh and i just copied and pasted EMPIRE.EXE into the folder to get PT to co-operate. Now you need to put a sexy interface on it... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Ohh and that goose story is much better than my one about the kid in the playground with the only ball. Dam
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#79
03-08-2006, 05:14 PM
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Re: FPHG v0.01 available
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hey juks i assume it doesnt overwrite, just adds if you open say "Table 2" one day. then "Table 2" day later? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, it just appends to the files and should never deleted them unless you run it from party's main folder. [ QUOTE ] Now you need to put a sexy interface on it... [/ QUOTE ] Not 100% sure if this needs that much of an interface? I tried to keep it totally blank by default, to make 'screen captures' not show anything, but a lot of people seem a little confused by the fact it just looks like it's doing nothing, so maybe something like this would help! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#80
03-08-2006, 05:17 PM
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Re: FPHG v0.01 available
Well im not to good with the old C. Can you not create a simple GUI.
Bit like mine for the absolute grabber, maybe just with a updating list showing all the ID's it grabbed or something? Or i guess you could just #echo some of the processes into the command panel? A sexy GUI would finish this off and it'd be up to scratch with all the other dataminers out there. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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