Absolute Soulreading/Rigged thread #3

[suzzer99]

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Wow, things are about to get interesting.

Only thing that detracts from the integrity of his little article, though, is the self-serving blurb at the end:

"(Note that I say nearly undetectable, because while that poker site probably never would have detected them, I am working with a different online poker site to develop a set of tools for catching cheaters. Even if these guys were careful, we would catch them.)"

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Agreed. If a smart cheater did this (i.e. played normally, only increasing his or her edge by fractional values even by simply folding hands whenever an opponent had a monster), they could never be detected. Unless there is some PT stat I am unaware of "number of times lost to a monster" [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Which certainly begs the question - how long has this been going on to some degree, and will you ever feel comfortable play at Absolute? g-p is running hot right now, but the second he has a bad session against some donkey, it'll be in the back of his mind.

[Shizzle12345]

Jesus christ you guys ramble on about this... 3 threads shtload of pages what could have said in 2 pages.

[LAG Heuer]

Hi,

There is something I don't understand. Why would a cheater be so stupid that the way he plays will bring suspicion in the others players minds ? Shouldn't he, on the contrary, use this advantage once in a while to make big laydowns or big call to make it efficient on the long term ??

[ur2barredout]

U are assuming the cheat isn't greedy, and has a good understanding of poker strategy. It would be appear this person or person (s) was both greedy and a horrible player despite the fact he could see the cards.

[LAG Heuer]

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U are assuming the cheat isn't greedy, and has a good understanding of poker strategy. It would be appear this person or person (s) was both greedy and a horrible player despite the fact he could see the cards.


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Maybe yes... still seems very strange to me. The guy must be really stupid. Even if he is greedy/very bad player he has to take into account the fact that he might get caught by the other players !!

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I'm starting to doubt the long-term viability of this fight against AP's stance. It's very difficult to really hit them hard.

I've thought about asking BLUFF to put a notice on every page in thepokerdb where AP stats are being shown. The notice would provide a link to a page with a summary and links to the 2+2 threads. The problem is that it's hard to get BLUFF to cut off a consistent advertiser while also hurting the perception of online poker. It just doesn't offer them an immediate material benefit and provides a number of material detriments. And just because I might want to see it happen doesn't mean the majority owners of BLUFF would agree with me because it's their income stream that would be directly affected by a decision like this.

The question is who is both a) willing to take the hit and b) has the pull to actually get something done here. I'm not sure. The NYT w/ Levitt is a start.

[PokerStorm]

I don't know what's the big deal about getting it in some magazine. There are far more people reading forums like this nowadays than some magazine. Why bother buying a magazine when you can all the info as soon as it happens on the internet. You also get better strategy analysis and can contribute to discussions, etc.... Also, it's not like this forum is some hidden trove of info for a select group of players these days, I would say the majority of online poker players now read sites such as these, probably every other day like myself, as can be seen in how much tighter the games have got in the last year. It's no longer one or two regs and the rest fish at the table, it's now one or two fish and the rest are regs(whether they are good regs is a diffent matter). So in effect, a certain amount of damage has already been done to Absolute.

Getting this out to the wider media is gonna do more harm than good really as far as I can see. It'll have a negative impact on fish sign up rates at all sites. I'd say you could be looking at a severe lack of fish if this story was publicised enough and I certainly don't want that, it's bad enough that the golden days have gone, we don't need to lose what we have left aswel.
The fact that nothing serious can really be done about this issue, without hurting pro poker players themselves, is very disappointing but that's just the nature of the situation when you are trying to hold to account an unregulated, unaccountable offshore complany.

[e_phemeral]

blurb re absolute

I am computer illiterate, but I think this is a link to a blurb about the AP cheating scandal on some poker review site. This is the kind of thing that is necessary in order to get Absolute to respond. Only way they respond is if people keep this issue out front and center and it starts to affect traffic at AP.

[PokerZombi]

I really don't feel a lot of these people posting here are qualified to comment on this, bar high limit-regulars. It ends up being blind railbird speculation or exaggeration.

I'm a high limit regular. I'm not going to reveal my sn but a few of you know my stance....

No offense to Doubledrag but he's definitely not the type who comes off with the intelligence to be able to crack the security of AP. If you know anything about systems or programming you guys are really kidding yourself if you can find someone who can do that, let alone it be DoubleDrag. If there were such a person who was able to crack AP, why would they give it to someone with the intelligence of DoubleDrag?

My simple explanation is he's a nutcase, and nutcases will enjoy the good and bad of variance and also make some pretty jaw droppingly bad (or seemingly brilliant) plays.

Ok so say he raised 90% pre-flop and 10x the big blind, he has to keep playing overly aggressive post flop to compensate. Against solid players we're not going to commit a lot of chips with a marginal hand 90% of the time. His is a losing strategy but he'll benefit a lot from variance when he runs good but also suffer when he runs not so good. When you play like he did the standard deviation is going to be like 15 buyins / 100.

When he started losing he played like a sheep. I was able to make a chunk of my money back when he started losing.

Btw I severely doubt he won 200k-400k whatever people are saying. I encourage the high-limit regulars to each post how much they lost to him.

Send DoubleDrag back please. If you don't play him I will..

[ikestoys]

there so many things wrong with the last post i don't know where to begin