WSOP ME is not a donkament

[corpseartist]

bustedromo is phil gordon?

[bustedromo]

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OP, take it to p5s. They will love you there.

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No, PocketFivers are conspiracy theory lunatics.

Interesting that only a couple people even attempted to logically argue my point, and even then only addressed a fraction of my arguments.

Truth is that WSOP ME is not a donkament at all, it tests a multitude of tricky poker skills (including how to identify and take advantage of poor players without exposing yourself to undue risk) and that's why all the great players play in it. Yes, the variance is high, and yes lousy players can go far, but if you think the great players only show up for endorsements, think again. Endorsements mean nothing to these guys. They want to win it more than anything else and they wouldn't play if they didn't think they had a chance. Watch Negreanu's vblogs where he spells out portions of his strategy.

[bones]

WSOP ME is in fact the king of all donkaments. The field is primarily made up of horrible players who won some other donkament to qualify.

In case you need more proof, every year there is serious talk about entering a monkey into the event. A [censored] monkey.

[bustedromo]

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WSOP ME is in fact the king of all donkaments. The field is primarily made up of horrible players who won some other donkament to qualify.

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Your evidence argues against your premise, ducy ?

[SuperUberBob]

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BustedRomo,

People say Lol Donkaments to make light of their frustration of losing in tournaments, usually in hands they consider to be horribly played by their opponents or in tournaments in which they consider themselves to be far better than the field. When I won the stars sunday tourney 2 years ago in a field of 2500, it lasted slightly less than 600 hands. The amount of variance in 600 hands is phenomenal. You can conjure yourself to be as skilled as you want, you're still running into sick variance. When I get poker stats on players in my limit cash games, by 600 hands I usually have a good idea of how the player plays. However, their winrates are close to random. "this guy should be a winning player. However he's down 65 bets.... Meh?"

Are there skills that make good tournament players? Of course. Colson10 comes to mind as a player who plays almost exclusively MTTs and makes more than I do playing cash games. However, I'm sure he would be glad to tell you about the variance and oft-rewarded stupidity of his opponents - or even how a good player might be continually rewarded by the donks and thusly beat all the other good players.

We say "lol donkaments" because in any given tourney luck is the deciding factor, not skill, and this is ALWAYS frustrating. We also say it to remind those who have had a string of success at tourneys that what they are doing is a statistical abberation, though not outside expected results, and that they are not the second coming of Stuey Unger.

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[bones]

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Endorsements mean nothing to these guys.

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/end credibility

When was the last time you saw a "famous" poker player not wearing a shirt advertising a poker site? You think Juanda is just really into basketball jerseys with his name on the back?

Also, ask Raymer what's been more beneficial to him and his family- Winning the actual tournament or everything that has come along with it (Stars/other endorsements, appearance fees, sponsored tournament entry fees, etc etc).

[vhawk01]

This entire thread is the OP trying to say "You just can't beat these donks, they can have anything!" but trying to be intellectual and obtuse about it.

Obvious solution: move up to where they respect your raises.

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[jmill2511]

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Bustedromo is the worst poster on 2+2 without a doubt.

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[apefish]

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isn't the OP still mad that Full Tilt Pros play on Full Tilt Poker?


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In donkaments no less.
Mad enough he won't even buy them a drink at the bar.

[donger]

Skill is of a discounted value in tournaments because of the format, not the composition of fields. I always thought LOL DONKAMENTS was referring to the fundamental stupidity of tournaments and had nothing to do with the players.