16 FTP Pros in 500K today

[mookboi]

OP, are you one of those douchebags that complains for half an hour after you call a steal-raise with AA, and then get stacked by T3s?

Why do you insist on writing long responses to weak arguments, but keep ignoring the main argument people have stated numerous times - they aren't freerolling, the entry is still paid for.

Do you not see how if FTP decided to make every single participant in that tourney a "Pro" except for you, and paid their entry, how it would be really beneficial for you?

Now imagine only half the people are "Pros" and the other half aren't... it's still a very +EV tourney, even for a donk. Your argument that states "Oh, but only 3200 people entered the tourney, and not 40K like you said" is ridiculous - the lower the regular FTP customer to pro ratio, the better, because of the bounty.

[apefish]

CliffsNotes: Full Tilt Poker pays pros to drink at OP's bar.

Confirm/deny?

[bustedromo]

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My understanding is that these guys have their buy-in covered by FTP.

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Your understanding is incorrect.

Sorry you guys wasted 7 pages of posts and all.

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It doesn't matter to the discusssion whether their buy-ins are paid for, or if they're paid ~50$/hr, the end-result is the same.

Bottom line is that Chris Ferguson is devoting FTP revenue to free buy-ins for a bunch of people he found wandering around naked in his backyard one afternoon when he should be spending that revenue on rewarding loyal regular paying customers.

"Learn, chat, and play with the pros."

(1) for the majority, professional poker player status is questionable at best

(2) it not advisable to attempt to learn from their play, as many of them have very questionable tournament poker skills

(3) as a rule, these people do not chat with the table, and on the rare occasion that they do, they have nothing of interest to say

(4) who wants to play with shills ?

[GambleAB]

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(1) for the majority, professional poker player status is questionable at best

(2) it not advisable to attempt to learn from their play, as many of them have very questionable tournament poker skills

(3) as a rule, these people do not chat with the table, and on the rare occasion that they do, they have nothing of interest to say

(4) who wants to play with shills ?

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While it's pretty worthless to argue with someone who doesn't know what they are talking about and are unwilling to change their flawed opinion, I suppose I've got nothing better to do:

1. Everyone who is a red pro on FTP plays poker for their entire income, with the notable exceptions of Shannon, the two UFC guys, and Broadie (who has more money than god, although he still technically currently makes his money from poker). If the other's pro status is "questionable at best" we would be, you know, homeless.

2. I know it's tough for people who just want to hate on others to look at the stats, but a vast majority of red pros (again, with a few notable exceptions) have very solid tournament histories, live and online included. Most of the players aren't willing or able to play 10 hours a day every day, so you may not see them taking down a tournament online every week but to say that their skills are sub-par is laughable since, again, if that were true everyone would be broke.

3. Many of the pros set aside some time every month where they one table on FTP and try to talk to everyone who says hello and answer questions. Furthurmore, most have pro chats every month. If you expect the pros to sit there and respond to everyone who throws ad-hominem attacks at them all day you are crazy.

4. You don't know what the word "shill" means. A shill is someone who doesn't play with any of their own money. All of the FTP pros play with their own money.


You seem to be tripping over yourself to contradict yourself in order to express your displeasure that some people get to have their names in red. You say that you want FTP to give back to players, ignoring the fact that every red pro that plays in any tournament has a bounty on them that is put up 100% by FTP, out of their own pocket. Furthermore, it's pretty much a proven fact that a red table or tournament attracts very weak competition. While this isn't FTP putting money directly into your pocket, any thinking player can use this knowledge to add extra equity to their sessions by finding tables with pros at them and picking on the weaker players who just want to play with a "name".

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I'm not talking about FTP in general. I'm talking about high buy-in tournaments on FTP.

FTP Pros may or may not be paying tournament buy-ins with their own money (I've heard different stories on this) but they definitely are compensated for their participation in various manners ($/hr, free merchandise, covered travel/expense/buy-ins for live tournies). Effectively, their buy-ins to the big online tournies are free.

You can't have it both ways. If they're great players, then they're reducing the average player's tournament $EV. If they're lousy players, they're dis-educating the average player.

Based on what people on this very thread have said, some of them are good players, some are lousy players. And so net-net they function as merely as shills. 45 $/hr is the figure I've heard from a number of sources. Who wants to play with shills ?

[betgo]

I think it is fun having people playing by their real names with pictures of them. I play the highest stakes razz games that run regularly and often Berry Johnston, Huck Seed or some other long-time pro will be playing.

I don't know what FT pays these people and it is possible some of them are overpaid, but that is FT's business. These pros people haven't heard of certainly don't get anywhere near what Ivey gets to be a FT name pro.

A lot of the players in that list of 16 are pretty weak. I think some of the FT pros may play full time because of FT sponsorship, because they made a big score in a major tournament, or because they are independently wealthy.

I don't mean to pick on Karina Jett, but I think she may be more of a housewife than a professional poker player. I mean how do you keep winding up in last place early on in a limit HORSE tournament.

I posted something before and got flamed for it some about how I got this tshirt with a donkey with boxing gloves saying I knocked out a Full Tilt pro. Now I don't want to seem arogant, but I don't think Phil Gordon is a better tournament player than I am. However, it was kind of fun getting the bounty and shirt, and it probably is more so for casual players.

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[stetda]

NU Star wins! Kill this thread already.