"Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers?

[McMelchior]

A WSOP dealer told me this year she was being paid $3.20 per hour by Harrah's and relied on tips for the rest. No way it should be legal to underpay qualified workers that grossly! Criticizing players for not taking responsibility and making up for Harrah's repugnant salary policies is plainly mis-leading.

When we buy in to tournaments the organizers take a large fee out of - not the prize pool - but each players buy-in. Relying on lucky individuals to make up for Harrah's disgusting under-payment of their labor is simply wrong. Every dollar giving in tip additional to what's already deducted from the buy-in is just adding to Harrah's profit, and in effect taking the money out of the poker economy.

The strongest way we tournament players can support the underpaid dealers is to refuse to tip anything in addition to what's beeing withheld.

That way Harrah's (and other tournament organizers) will be forced to pay dealers decent wages, if they want to be able to offer tournaments at all!

[DrewDevil]

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Never did i complain about what i make, if you had paid attention you will notice that i said i love my job and dont care if Jerry tipped. He said thank you and is very sincere and a good man, not an ass like some players. I never said i was special and i never said i made $50 an hour, i usually average that before taxes sometimes more. I earn what i do because i am good at what i do just like those of you in a regular white collar job getting paid what you are worth and are valued for what you add to your job.
And thanks for the info Oliver, now atleast we know how he got in there. And CF did give great advice to JY about how to handle the taxes, how to have the casino pay him etc.
Im not sure if its even worth mentioning in here but I think it would be a great idea and step in the right direction to have a dealer on the players advisory board to be able to set up a fair way to pay the staff so everyone bennifits

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If you usually make 50 dollars per hour before taxes you should never be complaining. This is a job a computer does even better than you do, yet you get paid to do it on a regular basis.

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Ouch.

[realwtf]

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A WSOP dealer told me this year she was being paid $3.20 per hour by Harrah's and relied on tips for the rest. No way it should be legal to underpay qualified workers that grossly! Criticizing players for not taking responsibility and making up for Harrah's repugnant salary policies is plainly mis-leading.

When we buy in to tournaments the organizers take a large fee out of - not the prize pool - but each players buy-in. Relying on lucky individuals to make up for Harrah's disgusting under-payment of their labor is simply wrong. Every dollar giving in tip additional to what's already deducted from the buy-in is just adding to Harrah's profit, and in effect taking the money out of the poker economy.

The strongest way we tournament players can support the underpaid dealers is to refuse to tip anything in addition to what's beeing withheld.

That way Harrah's (and other tournament organizers) will be forced to pay dealers decent wages, if they want to be able to offer tournaments at all!

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Dealers are lying to players about how much they make an hour too? I thought they were making $6.41 not half that or $3.20.

If dealer lied to me about how much they made to get more tips I would definatly not give any extra.

[pkrporcupine]

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dealers complain they're under paid, but won't tell how much they're making

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exactly. stop complaining if you aren't willing to be upfront about how much you make. obviously dealers complain because they want the tipping culture to change/improve, yet how can they create change without showing that they are being paid unfairly.

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I NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT MY PAY OR SAID THAT I WAS BEING PAID UNFAIRLY
OMG do you even understand the english language???
I am highly unimpressed with the lack of intelligence found in this forum. I really hope that Harrahs and the PAB will bring on a rep for the dealers so this can be better for the players and staff next year

[jogsxyz]

Does the tip appear on the W-2 form? Or does the player need
to claim the tip on the schedule A? If the tip isn't shown
on the W-2, I wouldn't tip either.

[Uglyowl]

Why does it matter how much they get paid (whether they are overpaid or underpaid)? Do you ask a hairdresser or waiter what their wage is before you leave a tip?

Also for their suffering and charity work, I nominate the WSOP dealers for the Arthur Ashe Humanitarian ESPY award.

How much they make is Harrah's issue. If you feel like the dealers did a good job, give them money if you want. This whole tipping thing has gotten out of control in America (it shouldn't be standard to tip anyone, it should be a personal decision).

If $50/hour is the going rate for dealers so be it, market forces will set what the “fair rate”. I don’t know what it is, but it works it’s way out.

From what I see, the dealers do a great job at the WSOP.

[pkrporcupine]

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A WSOP dealer told me this year she was being paid $3.20 per hour by Harrah's and relied on tips for the rest. No way it should be legal to underpay qualified workers that grossly! Criticizing players for not taking responsibility and making up for Harrah's repugnant salary policies is plainly mis-leading.

When we buy in to tournaments the organizers take a large fee out of - not the prize pool - but each players buy-in. Relying on lucky individuals to make up for Harrah's disgusting under-payment of their labor is simply wrong. Every dollar giving in tip additional to what's already deducted from the buy-in is just adding to Harrah's profit, and in effect taking the money out of the poker economy.

The strongest way we tournament players can support the underpaid dealers is to refuse to tip anything in addition to what's beeing withheld.

That way Harrah's (and other tournament organizers) will be forced to pay dealers decent wages, if they want to be able to offer tournaments at all!

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EXACTLY my point. The players pay enough in fee's and like I said originally, it should be Harrahs responsibility to give the staff and dealers a bigger chunk of the vig. I dont think it would harm them one bit to give up an additional 1.2% to make it a total of 3% withheld for the staff then do the 70/30 split. Any problems with that?
And, a computer can take over almost anyones job, but I have a much better personality and I look alot better in a low cut blouse than your PC

[DrewDevil]

Pics please, obv.

[W brad]

Yang should give any extra tip he wants to give as an additional donation to his charities (Make-A-Wish Foundation, Feed the Children and the Ronald McDonald House Charities) on behalf of the dealers.

CEOPoker taught me this little secret-extra-charity-on-behalf-of-others tip. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[PoineDexter]

This may sound odd but didn't every player that entered effectively tip 1.8% ($180.00) before the event got underway win or lose? The prize won by Yang represented the monies left after the operating costs had been removed. Yang effectively contributed $180.00 just like everyone else.

Depends on how you look at it I guess.