To the Multi-Accounters : some thoughts before this upcoming Sunday

[BadgerPro]

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Well, there is no longer a grey line. There is no excuse. Multi-accounting tournaments is cheating! The sites have all specifically stated that this is cheating. Examples have been made and hundreds of thousands of dollars have been taken from people, accounts banned and more, to make it clear that this is cheating.

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There was never a gray line. How one could think it was, I have no idea.


I don't know if you were playing high stakes MTTs over 2 years ago, but there was a period of time when the TOC of UltimateBet did not even state that entering a tournament on more than one account was not allowed.

idiot who posted above,

Last response to these clown like posts. I don't give a [censored]. FYI there are plenty of people who multi account and who I am not friends with or outright dislike. That has nothing to do with it. I have 0 obligation to out someone doing something prohibited by the sites. There are dozens who have names like me who could report people if they wanted to. People who can say "I know who is doing this, and will report them in the future if they do it in the future" right now. They haven't done that yet. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they are like me and feel like they don't have the authority to do such a thing, and that it would place their own well being in jeopardy. It would be different if this was a ring of people colluding or something like that. I consider that to be different, and thats my opinion, and if you feel differently and want to be judgemental then that is your call but just be happy that I made this post to at least ATTEMPT to cut down on this practice and stfu with the personal attacks.

None of those guys wanted to take the initiative to start this thread though. So I'm doing it, because I want people to know about this, and I want the poker community to decide what to do about this on their own. People still multi-account, still act like it is acceptable as long as they can evade detection, and still brag about their multi accounting wins to their friends. Everyone should know this. Everyone should agree this is unethical and what actions they choose to take is completely their decision.

I did not make this post to impose on anyone with my opinions, I made it as a public service announcement to the MTT community. What opinions they form, and what they choose to do, is their decision.

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Jeff,

I don't see what exactly you are doing to decrease the multi accounting. You are not outing anyone as a multi accounter, you even say you won't snitch on them. You are telling a bunch of people HEY GUYS THERE ARE SOME GUYS CHEATING, I KNOW WHO THEY ARE, BUT I'M NOT TELLING. What is that doing?

nothing at all. If you want to change this. Do it. Grow some balls and out people. Report them. You aren't going to guilt people into changing, at best you will force people to be quiet about it. But all that does is hide the problem not fix it. Do you think there are people here saying 'Oh no Action Jeff is upset with me, I'm gonna change'. Probably not.

Unless the thread contains names and evidence, then starting this thread really is not going to help change this situation.

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From what I've taken this is a warning. If they continue to multiaccount after this I'm under the assumption the names will become known or they will be turned into the sites. If this isn't the case I agree this is somewhat pointless.

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badgerpro multiaccounts

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yeah, check it out at:

badgerprocheats.com [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[ianisakson]

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Well, there is no longer a grey line. There is no excuse. Multi-accounting tournaments is cheating! The sites have all specifically stated that this is cheating. Examples have been made and hundreds of thousands of dollars have been taken from people, accounts banned and more, to make it clear that this is cheating.

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There was never a gray line. How one could think it was, I have no idea.


I don't know if you were playing high stakes MTTs over 2 years ago, but there was a period of time when the TOC of UltimateBet did not even state that entering a tournament on more than one account was not allowed.

idiot who posted above,

Last response to these clown like posts. I don't give a [censored]. FYI there are plenty of people who multi account and who I am not friends with or outright dislike. That has nothing to do with it. I have 0 obligation to out someone doing something prohibited by the sites. There are dozens who have names like me who could report people if they wanted to. People who can say "I know who is doing this, and will report them in the future if they do it in the future" right now. They haven't done that yet. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they are like me and feel like they don't have the authority to do such a thing, and that it would place their own well being in jeopardy. It would be different if this was a ring of people colluding or something like that. I consider that to be different, and thats my opinion, and if you feel differently and want to be judgemental then that is your call but just be happy that I made this post to at least ATTEMPT to cut down on this practice and stfu with the personal attacks.

None of those guys wanted to take the initiative to start this thread though. So I'm doing it, because I want people to know about this, and I want the poker community to decide what to do about this on their own. People still multi-account, still act like it is acceptable as long as they can evade detection, and still brag about their multi accounting wins to their friends. Everyone should know this. Everyone should agree this is unethical and what actions they choose to take is completely their decision.

I did not make this post to impose on anyone with my opinions, I made it as a public service announcement to the MTT community. What opinions they form, and what they choose to do, is their decision.

-Jeff

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Jeff,

I don't see what exactly you are doing to decrease the multi accounting. You are not outing anyone as a multi accounter, you even say you won't snitch on them. You are telling a bunch of people HEY GUYS THERE ARE SOME GUYS CHEATING, I KNOW WHO THEY ARE, BUT I'M NOT TELLING. What is that doing?

nothing at all. If you want to change this. Do it. Grow some balls and out people. Report them. You aren't going to guilt people into changing, at best you will force people to be quiet about it. But all that does is hide the problem not fix it. Do you think there are people here saying 'Oh no Action Jeff is upset with me, I'm gonna change'. Probably not.

Unless the thread contains names and evidence, then starting this thread really is not going to help change this situation.

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From what I've taken this is a warning. If they continue to multiaccount after this I'm under the assumption the names will become known or they will be turned into the sites. If this isn't the case I agree this is somewhat pointless.

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badgerpro multiaccounts

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yeah, check it out at:

badgerprocheats.com [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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i've been meaning to buy that name forever

[mackyg12]

Agree w/ Badger, etc about some names need to be called out soon.

Also, Jeff...I love the topic and your game...you say you have seen some of the top players numerous times in one tournament before...is this like the $215 rebuy or just all the Sunday tournaments in general?

Good luck to all the non multi-accounters tomorrow.

[juttelstud]

Why can't this just be an official warning, you know who they are and if they continue doing it, you will rat them out. That seems fair to everybody, even if they are your friends. I play all the Sunday majors and the 1k's and it's pretty sick that people are still doing this. What's worse is that people know who these people are, but don't do anything about it, because they are friends with the people doing it.

[timex]

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IMO, the shady [censored] in online poker will never end. Sheets/bax/timex staking infinite idiots is no different than multiaccounting.

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No offense to bax/sheets, but I'm pretty sure that many, if not most of the people we stake are better than we are.

I'm trying to think of the last time I tried helping someone I back who went deep in an MTT, the convo went something like this:

"mind sharing hands, Dan"
"no, you [censored] suck, I'm blocking you until I win this thing"
rinse and repeat

[Donkey-Milker]

omg - i really thought this multiaccounting had been stopped.

it is terrible how you - mostly american - guys work together on hands as they are happening and have 2+ entries in a tournament.

so many of you brag about your rankings and results - WELL - SURELY IF YOU ARE THAT GOOD THEN YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO CHEAT BY GETTING ADVICE FROM FRIENDS AND MULTIACCOUNTING?

the case is obv - indivdually. most of you are mediocre. together - an effective cheating force...

i have never asked anyone for advice on a hand when i was playing it or multiaccounted. i make a profit in every format of my poker.

it really does disgust me how most of you think it is ok to give advice in the middle of a hand and worse when living together etc....

it shows a general immaturity in the mtt online community. you don't see your victims... so you don't feel remorse..

it'll be a while before these multi-accounting/advice giving chumps take a bracelet etc.... they can't even win on their own.

i am shocked and saddened. i have linked this thread in several forums used by recreational players who you would consider 'fish' or your wage. i hope they decide to play less and not let you benefit.

jeff should phone up stars and the other sites right now and tell everything imo. he acts like he is in the mafia. lol wtf are a fat bunch of magic the gathering geeks going to threaten you with? you are as bad as them jeff. it's almost lke you are taunting the honest players....

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wtf are a fat bunch of magic the gathering geeks going to threaten you with? you are as bad as them jeff

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False, jeff works out 5hours a day.

[KneeCo]

"I'm not a rat Agent Kujan"

[stealthmunk]

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wtf are a fat bunch of magic the gathering geeks going to threaten you with? you are as bad as them jeff

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False, jeff works out 5hours a day.

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And when he went to get a haircut, he showed the barber a picture of Patrik.