disappointment - and goodbye

[greg nice]

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eh, most people here are douchebags who, flushed with envy, can't conceive of another being better or making more money. to me, whether you made 6 million or 1 million is largely immaterial - especially considering that was obviously not the point of your original post. i am here to learn more about poker, not to compare bank accounts. regardless of what went on in that thread, i would love to have you as a regular poster. i'm sure many could learn a lot from you.


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lapoker it is refreshing to see someone with some sense in this forum. sucks to see punketty go due to these other clowns

[FMZ]

do as you please.

[ginko]

I don't understand. There must be SOMEONE out there that datamines the 2k party games 24/7, right? Sam must be the biggest winner on that list, obviously. Sure it won't include his hands from other sites, but we really don't need those.


Does anyone here datamine party 2k a LOT? Please speak up, then this will be settled.

[epdaws]

You know, Sam, maybe, just MAYBE, you should understand the following:

1) Your original post, while claiming modesty, immediately declared yourself as a poker deity. It is as if you subconciously WANTED to be asked, "Gee, how much DO you make?"

2) In a forum heavily charged with ego, that question is going to be asked immediately. It was.

3) Instead of re-directing the discussion to your difficulty in deciding whether to go pro, which was ostensibly the point all along, you spouted off with your earnings IMMEDIATELY. No hemming or hawing, no attempt to get back on subject. Almost like you couldn't wait to throw it out there.

4) Then, you act as if such an outlandish claim (of which I am making no value judgement) is going to be easily brushed aside so posters can tend to your other questions. That's naive at best, and dishonest at worst.

If you can't understand all of this, it's your own fault. I enjoyed reading your thoughts on LAG style, and I have no clue if what you are saying is true. But get off the ledge already.

[ZeeJustin]

This is a strategy forum, and despite it's flaws, it's a very good one IMO. I personally have learned a lot from this specific forum.

Now you decide to come along to this strategy forum and say, "Yo, I play perfect LAG poker, a style you nits don't understand, and it's definately the best style because I've made $6,000,000. Should I quit my job? If I did, wouldn't health insurance screw me over?! Thanks for your advice. BTW, I really didn't want to share the $6,000,000 (that's 6 MILLION boys) figure, but KKF threatened to kill me if I didn't share it, so I felt I had to share the fact that I had won SIX MILLION dollars in online poker."

Seriously, what kind of discussion were you looking to get from a post like that? If you want to contribute to some strategy threads, by all means you're welcome to, but that other stuff isn't really wanted in this forum, especially from someone who has built up zero respect as a credible poster in the past.

[greg nice]

ZJ, your paraphrased quote is so off the mark, i wonder if it wasnt better for you to stay in school to work on your reading comprehension.

[ginko]

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ZJ, your paraphrased quote is so off the mark, i wonder if it wasnt better for you to stay in school to work on your reading comprehension.

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Read between the lines(or didnt they teach you that at school???)

[KingNeo]

Sam,

Everybody has already given their thoughts on the subject and I would feel left out if I do not give mine.

1) I really want to believe you, I think people who come on here and make false claims are just total clowns.

2) You are a quality player, I have played with you for about 10K hands.

3) If you truly made ~ $5.1 mil in cash games over the past 2 years you would be THE highest earning online poker player over that time span. Are you willing to say that you are THE biggest winner by only playing 4 tables 25 hrs/wk? You have repeated several times that the PP 10/20 game is your main game and it is easy to deduce that your repition of this fact means that this is the game that you have made the majority of your money.

4) You made $6 mil and you are worried about health insurance when you already stated your wife has coverage.

5) All of the top players here know about the exact LAG style you employ. While creative it is not revolutionary. Therefore we would have a very good idea of achieveable winrates.

6) You are a logical thinker (engineer) and your write well. Your posts are clear and concise. Nice work.

7) I/others play in the PP 10/20 game everyday. Very rarely do I ever see you. Futhermore there are websites that datamine all the 10/20 tables on PP 24/7. For an example please visit www.pokerdecision.com. Nowhere is there mention of your name as a big winner.

8) If you were the biggest winner in online cash games EVERYBODY would know about you and talk about you incessantly.

9) The winrate you mention is so absurd it is unrealistic.

10) You were a lurker here, the biggest winner in online poker of the past 2 years, and you don't know about PT and stats.

11) I think you assumed that all the top players here make approx $3 mil a year and you wanted to fit in. Therefore you stated that as your winrate as well so you could immediately fit in and be respected.

12) It is extremely rare taht the biggest winners in 25/50 and 50/100 make $3 mil a year.

13) You can offer information to the forum if you continue posting because it is clear you are a winning player. Don't leave.

14) I previously retired for 10 minutes, now I am back because threads like this.

15) That was long.

[Yeti]

ZJ, wow, we agree on something. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

KingNeo, I like you. Point #11 is something fsu mentioned and it seems the most plausible explanation for all of this.

[mistermuni]

This forum has been presented with the gigabet of ring games... the derb of nl.. and all we can do is whine about his winrate? Sam has acknowledged his shortcoming (overreacting to skeptics), and now its time to hear some meaningful debate about his style of lag play.

I, for one, am fascinated to hear the way sam describes the merit of lag play. The way he describes it is very logical--playing worse hands means less likely chance of domination, more disguised hands, and bigger payoffs when you do in fact have a good hand. This might sound pretty straightforward to most of the HSNL posters, but I'm sure it could result in some interesting discussion.

-grant

P.S. Sam, next time I would have just sent a pm to KKF with your winrates, and a pm to Diablo with your names on the different sites you've played. That way, Diablo alone could verify it and report to the forums whether you are as successful as you say you are without making it a big issue.