WPT should be sued

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LOL at olivert trying to train-wreck this thread!!

The question for me is - if Doyle was in the final two and had a stroke or heart attack, what would they do? Would people be saying "he shouldn't be playing poker at his age - it's stressful, bad for your health, he should know he's at risk as a old man, it's so irresponsible" ? I'm guessing the WPT would pause the tournament and/or make some kind of deal, which means that there's a pretty strong discrimination going on.

[Keyser.]

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Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence.

At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media.

Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much.

Oliver Tse
Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC
[email protected]

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I am somewhat suprised to see your comment Oliver. I agree this is a very serious and sensitive subject. BUT how can you possibly be serious about posting this? You are a very vocal member in NVG. You of all people should know that this is a very valid thread thats should be discussed. I'm not saying that certain comments should be said, but that is 2+2. Some kids get off at being cruel.

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I simply ask 2+2 participants to "think", just a little bit, before posting something insensitive and/or taking their daily cheap shots at either J.J., Dan, or myself.

I don't think that was too much to ask.

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I am pretty sharp Oliver and I understood you completely the first time and needless to say I am still shocked. You ask people to "respect their privacy", which seems hypocritical after reading some of your posts over the last year. People on this forum may have respected your post more if you posted it under a name other than your own. I feel your presence in this is causing more insensitivity from others.

But then again, that is just my opinion [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Jean:

So you are saying you would respect someone more if he were a "coward" and post under an anonymous handle than someone who is willing to take hits by posting under his own name?

Again, I ask 2+2 participants to please THINK before posting. I don't think that is too much to ask, but given that I am now an agent and a defacto PR flack, I have a different perspective of the poker world than a teenager.

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you sound like you look like this:



how close am I?

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lolz so close

[olivert]

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Oliver: I find it completely hypocritical and inappropriate for you to ask this forum to THINK before posting. As someone who holds media credentials, you have repeatedly "reported" rumor and hearsay as fact, which is hardly professional. I can say that I know this first-hand because you have posted completely false things about me in the past, though I chose not to make an issue out of it at the time. It is completely different for a member of the media to post so-called "facts" than it is for forum members to state their personal opinions on controversial topics. You have zero credibility in my book and you do not deserve to hold a media badge.

That being said, I like JJ very much and wish her the best.


Evelyn

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Evelyn:

I have to defend myself here.

Whenever I post hearsay or rumors on 2+2, I had usually prefaced my posts as hearsay or rumors.

Whenever I submitted a piece for publication with my name on the byline, I tried to apply the highest journalistic standards by checking and re-checking facts.

Even though I still do not believe that the same journalistic standards should be applied to a discussion forum where rumors and hearsay are swapped among participants, I can understand why I was held to a much higher standard than the other participants.

With that said, I am certain that J.J. and Dan will appreciate your concerns regarding J.J.'s health.

Thank you very much.

Oliver

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Why in the world should they be sued over this. Name one sport in the world that would ever allow anyone to play at a later date due to any injury?

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as their de-facto PR flack, I'd like you to explain his decision.

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Wait a second... is he their agent, or their PR flack? In the state of California isn't it illegal to represent a client as both an agent and also as a PR person? I know an agent and a manager must be separate, I am not positive.

PS: for Olivert - are you going to show your clients this thread? because if you do, I predict you will be fired. Come to think of it, if you don't I predict you will be fired. Smells like fire to me either way!

[bav]

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LOL at olivert trying to train-wreck this thread!!

The question for me is - if Doyle was in the final two and had a stroke or heart attack, what would they do? Would people be saying "he shouldn't be playing poker at his age - it's stressful, bad for your health, he should know he's at risk as a old man, it's so irresponsible" ? I'm guessing the WPT would pause the tournament and/or make some kind of deal, which means that there's a pretty strong discrimination going on.

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No, they would do just what they did in this case. Pause the tourney for a few minutes, see if the situation can be resolved immediately, but if not, let the poor victim be blinded off or have the stack removed. For all the reasons so many people have already said, you don't just stop a major event and put it on pause for days/weeks. But yes, they should give someone 30 minutes or an hour to try to recover from some temporary problem. At some point, though, the show must go on. The only reason postponing in this case is conceivable is because it was just two players; if this happened with 6 players left would everyone still be insisting that the other 5 should put it all on hold and come back to resume play days/weeks/months later when everyone could reschedule? And what about the poor player who between now and then gets ill and can't return on the rescheduled day and finds themselves being blinded out? It's just too unfair to the other players to ask them to postpone because one person is incapacitated.

Reading now that JJ was 4mo pregnant, I don't believe it's irresponsible for her to play. I read she was "very pregnant" and to me that means 8mo or 9mo; I think if a woman plays very close to her due date, she's taking her chances and if nature calls it's unfortunate, but them's the lumps. 4mo pregnant isn't "very" pregnant in my book and playing poker at 4mo is not a particularly troublesome thing. 2nd trimester is a pretty safe period during a pregnancy and sitting at a poker table isn't a terribly abnormal sorta activity.

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olivert you a complete tool. you preemptively warned everyone not to take cheap shots at JJ for no apparent reason (see Bay101 thread). you hint at vague details of JJ's situation to increase your own feeling of self importance. you pointlessly spew facts about your own knowledge of the industry which adds nothing to the discussion. you are the worst PR agent i've ever heard of.


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This is right on point.

I don't know the player in question, couldn't pick her out of a line up. However, after reading this thread, I have to question her judgment in light of the fact that she employees you. You are damaging you client with each post.

People have the right to state their opinions and the opinion that in her situation, as it has been described, they would go to the hospital is certainly a valid view point.

Your lecturing just makes me think you're a huge tool. I don't read every forum, therefore I'm not aware of all of your postings, but every time you post something it's rarely adding to the discussion and is usually some sort of self promotion.

Perhaps you need to be 'thinking' before you post.

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Has anyone in this long-winded thread explained how WPT can threaten disqualification in the original scenario? Or was she never in risk of being DQ'd, they just refused to postpone the event?

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I cannot seem to distill this information either.

I find it hard to believe that the WPT can tell you that you can fight your way to second place, then, should you need to leave, can justify not just blinding you off until you finish in second place.

Sure, that was a bad sentence, but you all get the idea: with 60 players left in a tourney that pays 55 places, you can get up, go to the parking lot, drive 2000 miles away from the table, and be blinded off into the money, but you can't do that if you're in the final two?

Yikes.

[Punker]

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I cannot offer my opinion of what decision I would have made if I were in Dan's shoes

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Luckily, no one has asked you to. Never stopped you before however. I think you should feel that the WPT is exploiting poker player-mothers, and involve yourself for the future benefit of all future pokerplayer-preggos. Im sure JJ will understand.

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I was only stating my opinion, which is that your reputation on 2+2 is, well it seems, below average and it effects JJ.

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It seems I was seriously mistaken about your reputation, it is extremely below average.

I just have one question totally off the subject....
How does your butthole feel?