Virginia apologizes for slavery... why?

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Just curious -- would you think an apology was good/needed if the entire Virginia state government was now black?

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It's not a matter of choice or culpability. It's matter of unfair advantages and rectifying them. It's saying, "We're sorry we completely [censored] you guys up for many generations. We will try to make sure you have the means to better yourselves."

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But how do you derive the "we" part? Let's say I live in Virginia (I don't): as a Virginian I'm still not part of the "we" in question, because I didn't screw anyone over, much less for generations.

I bear zero responsibility for anything that happened before I was born.

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First of all, that's the not the issue at hand. You didn't apologize, Virgina did. Again, Virginia isn't just "every person in Virgina". It's a state.

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How does "Virgina" apologize? Did "Virginia" pick up the phone and call "Black People" up and say "Oh, sorry bout that, mmmkay?"

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- that there are many people of mixed ancestry. Is someone who is 50% white and 50% black entitled to receive reparations, or should they pay reparations, or is it a wash? How about someone who is 25% black and 75% white? Do they count as "black" for college admissions, yet receive reparations instead of paying reparations? Or maybe should they pay only half as much reparations as someone else who is all-white?

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Your level of guilt and your reparations payment will be determined impartially by a photometer, which will detect the darkness of the skin of your forhead. Lighter shades will pay the most, darker shades recieve the most. If you are the exact shade of Halle Berry, the photometer will judge you both guilt-free and a non-victim.

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It's not a matter of choice or culpability. It's matter of unfair advantages and rectifying them. It's saying, "We're sorry we completely [censored] you guys up for many generations. We will try to make sure you have the means to better yourselves."

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Yes I totally agree people with 760 on their SAT's should always be given consideration over the ones with 1300.

I mean why study I'm a shoo in. Let's go PARTY !!!!!!

Even better is the phrase.... I'm sorry sir you are 100 % overqualified for this job...... we have quota's to fill.

Where does it stop...... It never will.

Why do people who despise the idea of slavery have to keep paying for the mistakes they did not make.

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How does "Virgina" apologize? Did "Virginia" pick up the phone and call "Black People" up and say "Oh, sorry bout that, mmmkay?"

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Before I answer your completely inane question, I'll ask you this. How did Virginia apologize? Did every single person in Virginia stand up and apologize all at once?

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It's not a matter of choice or culpability. It's matter of unfair advantages and rectifying them. It's saying, "We're sorry we completely [censored] you guys up for many generations. We will try to make sure you have the means to better yourselves."

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Yes I totally agree people with 760 on their SAT's should always be given consideration over the ones with 1300.

I mean why study I'm a shoo in. Let's go PARTY !!!!!!

Even better is the phrase.... I'm sorry sir you are 100 % overqualified for this job...... we have quota's to fill.

Where does it stop...... It never will.

Why do people who despise the idea of slavery have to keep paying for the mistakes they did not make.

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Since I'm trying to play nice, I'll just say that you haven't even come close to adressing what I said. Instead you just post what I can only assume is some basically racist tripe relating to affirmative action.

I've taken the liberty of bolding the relevent bits of my post that you ought to reread.

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Just curious -- would you think an apology was good/needed if the entire Virginia state government was now black?

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This is actually an excellent question. I'd say yes, although it would just be wierd.

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Without slavery there are NO black people in America.... and who wouldn't agree (besides a true racist) that such a thing would be to the detriment of our country?


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Your new master will also allow you to marry, and have a family of your own, and kids. But the master will get to sleep with your wife now and then, when he's feeling particularly horny and neglected by his Tajikistani wife, a woman which if you so much as look at, you will get your testicles cut off.

I could go on.

...Now, would you be satisfied and content with this situation if you knew for certain that, two hundred years from now, your epigones would be eminent stars of Tajikistani showbiz and sports?

This is the only valid question in the issue you are bringing forth. Because the rest of your argument directly justifies Nazi "scientific" experimentation on humans.

Mickey Brausch

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It's not a matter of choice or culpability. It's matter of unfair advantages and rectifying them. It's saying, "We're sorry we completely [censored] you guys up for many generations. We will try to make sure you have the means to better yourselves."

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Yes I totally agree people with 760 on their SAT's should always be given consideration over the ones with 1300.

I mean why study I'm a shoo in. Let's go PARTY !!!!!!

Even better is the phrase.... I'm sorry sir you are 100 % overqualified for this job...... we have quota's to fill.

Where does it stop...... It never will.

Why do people who despise the idea of slavery have to keep paying for the mistakes they did not make.

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Since I'm trying to play nice, I'll just say that you haven't even come close to adressing what I said. Instead you just post what I can only assume is some basically racist tripe relating to affirmative action.

I've taken the liberty of bolding the relevent bits of my post that you ought to reread.

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Your calling me racist !!!!! For what.

affirmative action is a reality. Your calling me a racist because I'm stating a fact. WTF is with that.

Rocky Balboa said it best. "The world does not owe anyone anything"

Screw giving someone money 150 years later. If a person who has ancestors who were slaves let them get revenge by burning down the houses of the former slave owners familys but stay away from my tax dollars.

I want my taxes going to build weapons of mass destruction not to people who don't want to get off the couch.

Racist I think not.

It's funny how even bringing up a subject like AA which is so REVERSE discriminatory. Get's someone called a racist.

WTF happened to america. You open your mouth and your a racist .....unless I agree with YOUR point of view.

And please don't come back at me with how LOGICAL your argument is I don't spell check I don't care if my punctuation is good or not.

Or if you do want a Logic contest here's one for you.

What's logical about hiring someone who's not qualified for a job. Period.... give me some logic behind this.

I will insta join your cause if you can do this.

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It's not a matter of choice or culpability. It's matter of unfair advantages and rectifying them. It's saying, "We're sorry we completely [censored] you guys up for many generations. We will try to make sure you have the means to better yourselves."

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But how do you derive the "we" part? Let's say I live in Virginia (I don't): as a Virginian I'm still not part of the "we" in question, because I didn't screw anyone over, much less for generations.

I bear zero responsibility for anything that happened before I was born.

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First of all, that's the not the issue at hand. You didn't apologize, Virgina did. Again, Virginia isn't just "every person in Virgina". It's a state.

Second of all, you can still be sorry. Sort of like I might say "I'm sorry about your loss" when your mom dies even though I didn't kill her.

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Maybe I'm taking words too literally but the poster did say "I'm sorry we completely screwed you over for generations".

If he then goes on to say that that "we" should "make sure that you have the means to better yourselves" that sounds an awful lot like reparations - which, if the state paid for it, would come out of the taxes of the people of the state today and go to the descendants (suppposedly) today so in effect it would be a forced wealth trasfer from some people today to others today. The state wouldn't pay out of its immense coffers of money saved and invested for many decades as would an Exxon Mobil. The state would take from Mr. White today and give to Mr. Black today thereby royally screwing over millions of people who bear absolutely zero responsibility for actions of the long past.

If by "we" he means the state, you must realize that if reparations are made, some independent entity named "the state" isn't going to be stuck with the reparations bill. It will instead be paid for by plain old citizens: who today bear no more responsibility or accountability for the evils of American slavery, than they bear for the slavery that existed 3000 years ago in Egypt.