What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?

[PokrLikeItsProse]

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also, when i interviewed todd brunson he told me that he and his father check it down when it is just the two of them in a hand. is that team play, soft play, cheating, a father/son thing, or just a regular part of the game?

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That reminds me of Barry Greenstein saying that when he and Mimi Tran are in a hand, he plays a lot more straight-forward and shows his cards at the end. (Or something to that effect.)

If they don't play aggressively, they open themselves up to charges of slowplaying. If they do play aggressively and someone folds before the river, they open themselves up to charges of chip dumping. In a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario like this, it seems like pros prefer to risk the former rather than the latter.

[Danielih]

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Doesn't seem like any backer ever has more than 3 or 4% of the field, and probably 1-2% more more typically.

I wasn't aware of Phil Ivey being a high-volume backer.

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Is this statement intended to mean that sheets and bax back no more than (.04)(583) = 23 players? I'll take the Over.

Soon you'll be able to bet on statements like this, and the truth becomes apparent rather quickly.

We could have an open discussion about what sort of open disclosure should be necessary regarding financial arrangements in tournaments.

23 is enough anyways, isn't it?

[The Truth]

The dangerous part is that the "chip dumpers" could be +ev players themselves. Trying to win the tourney, but dump when its better for the backer.

However, this could get expensive for the backer. He would have to pay the dumper some money besides his entry fee to dump. (how much would he have to pay a +ev player to agree to this?)





Also,

Somebody tell them to back me in tunica in Jan in the main event (and maybe for awhile after).


I will back myself in all tournaments <5k (10k is too high a % of my total bankroll for me to feel good about backing myself in a tourney, and its still a single didgit %.) and I smash online NL and limit.


holla?

(oh yeah, I also know 1 other guy who crushes online NL who would be willing to get backed in the main event, perhaps all 10k tourneys for the next year or 2.)

[Danielih]

Shane -

Perhaps Sheets and Bax are simply the largest backers.

Regardless, FT, Stars, Ivey, Sheets/Bax(Insert players who has money at the time and is backing his friends) should have to disclose if they are backing x players. I think it's quite reasonable.



Afterall, I assume Sheets and Bax provide this information to the shareholders.

[kurosh]

Can someone get me in touch with these people? I am not in the donkament scene so I have no idea who they are.

[Peter McDermott]

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Barry g backs a lot of people I think.



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Captain Tom Frankin "backs" a fair few of the younger players as well, I hear.

[HavanaBanana]

There are quite a few teams out there that swap %ages, The Hendon Mob and The Norsemen are two that comes to mind, typically 5 or 10%.

These are backed by poker-rooms, however I am not thinking swopping is good for the game, and even though these two teams probably are on the up and up, there are no doubt that there are cheating going on in the form of softplaying and chipdumping.

Anyone who think different are either doing it themselves or delusional.

There have also been rumours that Phil Ivey has been benefitting from his horses.

ToT

[stinkypete]

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Barry g backs a lot of people I think.

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hasn't barry said, on multiple occasions, that he thinks backing deals are -EV for the backer and he doesn't get involved in them?

[stinkypete]

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In most deals, the tourney buyins (accruing over time) are paid back first ("makeup") before splitting the winnings.

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i don't really know much about these deals, so this might be a dumb question, but what's to stop a player from getting a new backer and skipping out on the "makeup"? do they sign contracts saying they're responsible for it?

[stinkypete]

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also, when i interviewed todd brunson he told me that he and his father check it down when it is just the two of them in a hand. is that team play, soft play, cheating, a father/son thing, or just a regular part of the game?

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it's soft play, but it affects the way hands are played out. knowing that its going to be checked down if it gets heads up changes the way you play the hand before it gets heads up - unless you're deliberately not playing to maximize your EV. it shouldn't be allowed (but there's not much you can do about it).