The war on faith. - Page 8

MidGe · #71 09-10-2006, 09:54 PM

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How is that different? You are simply listing the bad things that these bad people did. I think those were already accepted. The Midianites were, in fact, bad people. Ok. So, lets slaughter all of their infant children.

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Yes, it looks like the monstruous god of txga007 doesn't mind a bit of genocide when warranted(?). [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

madnak · #72 09-10-2006, 10:31 PM

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Who said God was tolerant?

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Matt R.

He also said that Christianity never advocates violence and all religions have the same ideals.

I think he's now changed his position to: Christianity is tolerant (except of people we don't like), it never advocates violence (except when it's "just," meaning when I think it's okay), and (most) religions (sometimes claim to) have the same ideals.

Maybe I'm being unfair though - it's possible he hasn't backpedaled that far (yet).

madnak · #73 09-10-2006, 10:33 PM

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God the Father is violent and judgmental. No question about it.

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For once I completely, 100% agree with you, txag.

txag007 · #74 09-10-2006, 10:47 PM

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God the Father is violent and judgmental. No question about it.

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For once I completely, 100% agree with you, txag.

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Jesus died to protect you from God's judgment.

See the difference?

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MidGe · #75 09-10-2006, 10:52 PM

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Jesus died to protect you from God's judgment.

See the difference?

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Instead of sacrificing his son, wouldn't it have been easier and less savage to stop being judgemental? Or is that another of his limitations?

madnak · #76 09-10-2006, 10:52 PM

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From wikipedia:

"The Biblical account of the battle between the Midianites and Gideon[16] asserts that the Israelites suffered at the hands of the Midianites for a space of six years. The Midianites seem to have been then a powerful and independent nation; they allied themselves with the Amalekites and the Kedemites, and they oppressed the Israelites so severely that many were obliged to seek refuge in caves and strongholds; Midianite raiders destroyed crops and reduced them to extreme poverty.[17]"

So... uh, yeah. Do you see how this is different than the statement "he advocated slaughtering "bad people" because they had to be purified"?

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No.

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Not exactly a historically accurate statement, chief.

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vhawk covered this. The Wikipedia article in no way contradicts me. I know you have trouble being logical, but if you could just try to explain how this in any way contradicts my statement that'd be great. Shouting "the Midianites were bad! Therefore madnak was dishonest!" isn't making it easy to discuss anything.

Are you objecting to my use of quotations marks? If so, let me explain. I don't think evil exists, so I try to enclose "evil" and "bad" in quotation marks to make it clear I'm not referring to them. I sometimes leave out the quotes for rhetorical effect, and I probably shouldn't. But I'm not trying to say the Midianites weren't actually "bad," just saying that "bad" is a concept I don't subscribe to. Of course the Midianites did horrible things according to most sane standards.

Or maybe you're combining the resistance against the Midianites with the offensive against the Midianites? If so you should note I'm talking purely about the latter. Invading the Midianite lands, burning their nation, and killing all the people isn't a defensive act. Certainly killing the women and children wasn't. This was agression taken to "punish" (purify) the Midianites for their earlier wickedness (they were "bad").

madnak · #77 09-10-2006, 10:53 PM

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God the Father is violent and judgmental. No question about it.

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For once I completely, 100% agree with you, txag.

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Jesus died to protect you from God's judgment.

See the difference?

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I'll take what I can get.

madnak · #78 09-10-2006, 10:56 PM

Too far off the topic to continue. I'll touch on it in my response to your other post.

Prodigy54321 · #79 09-10-2006, 11:03 PM

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God the Father is violent and judgmental. No question about it.

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For once I completely, 100% agree with you, txag.

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Jesus died to protect you from God's judgment.

See the difference?

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am I the only one who sees how ridiculous this is!!! why the hell does God undermine..himself?!?! and if they are two separate "beings", then there does seem to be some sort of a power struggle there...

just as with most gods, the Christian god was obviously made in the image of man.

MidGe · #80 09-10-2006, 11:13 PM

I would also note that besides ordering a genocide, your monster of a god was not even capable of taking rersponsibility for it. Oh no, perversely, he asked the Israelites to do his dirty job for him, therby forcing them to transgress their own humanity. Also, i guess, when he will be brought to be judged, by loving human beings, he will probably claim he did not do it and those Israelites will say they only followed orders.

Your view of god seem really sick and perverse.

I hope I am on the jury when the time comes. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]