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#71
08-23-2006, 02:02 AM
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Re: *Official* HSP 8/21
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Daniel has never folded to a re-raise pre-flop in any of the HSP shows for any amount. [/ QUOTE ] Important to note, that's of the hands they have shown. [/ QUOTE ] I thought they showed ALL the hands? [/ QUOTE ] Very wrong. They maybe show 1/10th of the hands. [/ QUOTE ] On previous threads the consensus (based on filming time, estimated hands/hour) was 30-40%. [/ QUOTE ] 40% seems way too high. I could believe 30% though. I just think there have to be quite a few hands that end very quickly. Also, I know a guy who was on the show, and he said they "only showed a 10th of his hands." But obviously that's loose talk. Could be 30%. 
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#72
08-23-2006, 02:08 AM
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Re: *Official* HSP 8/21
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I thought they showed ALL the hands? [/ QUOTE ] Very wrong. They maybe show 1/10th of the hands. [/ QUOTE ] On previous threads the consensus (based on filming time, estimated hands/hour) was 30-40%. [/ QUOTE ] 40% seems way too high. I could believe 30% though. I just think there have to be quite a few hands that end very quickly. Also, I know a guy who was on the show, and he said they "only showed a 10th of his hands." But obviously that's loose talk. Could be 30%. [/ QUOTE ] I'm interested in knowing how many hands are won pre-flop by one raise and no calls.
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#73
08-23-2006, 04:05 AM
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Re: *Official* HSP 8/21
Haha when I saw David Grey at the table, I still remember Gabe Kaplan's quote from the heads-up championship:
"David Grey always looks like he ate some bad shrimps the night before"
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#74
08-23-2006, 04:41 AM
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Re: *Official* HSP 8/21
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HSP season 1 = -$264,100 HSP season 2 = -$331,500 thats just his poker tally. [/ QUOTE ] Gus doesn't hit a one-outer, which had nothing to do with DN making a loose preflop call, and that big negative might completely... negated? Not to mention 43 vs. Deeb's 55 on a 2 3 5 3 2 board. He's also flopped at least FIVE straights, and a king high flush, and another set (besides the Gus hand) that all got drawn out on. Yes, he's also had a few fortunate hands- stacking Tood with AQ vs. AK when the flop came queen high and Doyle with 88 vs. AA when he flopped a set on a 2-flush board in "steam" mode- and his postflop play hasn't been perfect, but overall his luck in that game has been terrible, and those net results are hardly the consequence of (and probably have very little connection to) his proclivity for calling re-raises with speculative hands, usually in position against another deep stack.
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#75
08-23-2006, 04:00 PM
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Re: *Official* HSP 8/21
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I'm interested in knowing how many hands are won pre-flop by one raise and no calls. [/ QUOTE ] Based on the looseness they show on TV I'm guessing not very many, maybe 10-20%. The preflop play seems just like Party low stakes tables.
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#76
08-23-2006, 05:50 PM
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Re: *Official* HSP 8/21
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[ QUOTE ] I'm interested in knowing how many hands are won pre-flop by one raise and no calls. [/ QUOTE ] Based on the looseness they show on TV I'm guessing not very many, maybe 10-20%. The preflop play seems just like Party low stakes tables. [/ QUOTE ] if the party 100nl had a .15 ante, you'd see a lot more people involved on the flop.
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#77
08-23-2006, 07:58 PM
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Re: *Official* HSP 8/21
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[ QUOTE ] HSP season 1 = -$264,100 HSP season 2 = -$331,500 thats just his poker tally. [/ QUOTE ] Gus doesn't hit a one-outer, which had nothing to do with DN making a loose preflop call, and that big negative might completely... negated? Not to mention 43 vs. Deeb's 55 on a 2 3 5 3 2 board. He's also flopped at least FIVE straights, and a king high flush, and another set (besides the Gus hand) that all got drawn out on. Yes, he's also had a few fortunate hands- stacking Tood with AQ vs. AK when the flop came queen high and Doyle with 88 vs. AA when he flopped a set on a 2-flush board in "steam" mode- and his postflop play hasn't been perfect, but overall his luck in that game has been terrible, and those net results are hardly the consequence of (and probably have very little connection to) his proclivity for calling re-raises with speculative hands, usually in position against another deep stack. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, Daniel is stuck a lot because he's had some bad luck. But I think Daniel would be stuck a lot less if luck was the ONLY factor involved. Antonio and Barry Greenstein have both been on the bad end of some really unlucky spots, and neither is stuck anywhere as close to Daniel. What if someone could have told Antonio in advance that he'd get AA five times, and manage to be all-in preflop most of the time with it, and still be stuck? Think he'd say that's some bad luck? And yet he didn't lose very much at all, and left a winner yesterday (although I don't know if it makes up for his losses).
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#78
08-23-2006, 11:12 PM
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Re: *Official* HSP 8/21
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] HSP season 1 = -$264,100 HSP season 2 = -$331,500 thats just his poker tally. [/ QUOTE ] Gus doesn't hit a one-outer, which had nothing to do with DN making a loose preflop call, and that big negative might completely... negated? Not to mention 43 vs. Deeb's 55 on a 2 3 5 3 2 board. He's also flopped at least FIVE straights, and a king high flush, and another set (besides the Gus hand) that all got drawn out on. Yes, he's also had a few fortunate hands- stacking Tood with AQ vs. AK when the flop came queen high and Doyle with 88 vs. AA when he flopped a set on a 2-flush board in "steam" mode- and his postflop play hasn't been perfect, but overall his luck in that game has been terrible, and those net results are hardly the consequence of (and probably have very little connection to) his proclivity for calling re-raises with speculative hands, usually in position against another deep stack. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, Daniel is stuck a lot because he's had some bad luck. But I think Daniel would be stuck a lot less if luck was the ONLY factor involved. Antonio and Barry Greenstein have both been on the bad end of some really unlucky spots, and neither is stuck anywhere as close to Daniel. What if someone could have told Antonio in advance that he'd get AA five times, and manage to be all-in preflop most of the time with it, and still be stuck? Think he'd say that's some bad luck? And yet he didn't lose very much at all, and left a winner yesterday (although I don't know if it makes up for his losses). [/ QUOTE ] IIRC he lost $100K or so on 2 of those hands.
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#79
08-24-2006, 08:50 AM
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Re: *Official* HSP 8/21
I liked in the hand where Zeidman and Eli both had kings, and Eli takes a little while to decide whether he's going call his all in or not. When he calls and somebody asks if Eli has aces, Zeidman says "oh no, he wouldn't do that to me with aces"! The irony was delicious.
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#80
08-24-2006, 09:02 AM
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Re: *Official* HSP 8/21
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Daniel has never folded to a re-raise pre-flop in any of the HSP shows for any amount. [/ QUOTE ] Important to note, that's of the hands they have shown. [/ QUOTE ] I thought they showed ALL the hands? [/ QUOTE ] Very wrong. They maybe show 1/10th of the hands. [/ QUOTE ] They're showing about 38% of hands as per first season calculations. Daniel calls huge re-raises out of position just as often as in position - every time.
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