What is patriotism?

[Zeno]

This is a bit late to the discussion but I just remembered this little gem written by Sam. I append it to this thread for the edification of all.

Link:As Regards Patriotism

As Regards Patriotism
by Mark Twain
(circa 1900)


It is agreed, in this country, that if a man can arrange his religion so that it perfectly satisfies his conscience, it is not incumbent upon him to care whether the arrangement is satisfactory to any one else or not.

In Austria and some other countries this is not the case. There the State arranges a man's religion for him, he has no voice in it himself.

Patriotism is merely a religion -- love of country, worship of country, devotion to the country's flag and honor and welfare.

In absolute monarchies it is furnished from the Throne, cut and dried, to the subject; in England and America it is furnished, cut and dried, to the citizen by the politician and the newspaper.

The newspaper-and-politician-manufactured Patriot often gags in private over his dose; but he takes it, and keeps it on his stomach the best he can. Blessed are the meek.

Sometimes, in the beginning of an insane and shabby political upheaval, he is strongly moved to revolt, but he doesn't do it -- he knows better. He knows that his maker would find it out -- the maker of his Patriotism, the windy and incoherent six-dollar sub-editor of his village newspaper -- and would bray out in print and call him a Traitor. And how dreadful that would be. It makes him tuck his tail between his legs and shiver. We all know -- the reader knows it quite well -- that two or three years ago nine-tenths of the human tails in England and America performed just that act. Which is to say, nine-tenths of the Patriots in England and America turned Traitor to keep from being called Traitor. Isn't it true? You know it to be true. Isn't it curious?

Yet it was not a thing to be very seriously ashamed of. A man can seldom -- very, very seldom -- fight a winning fight against his training; the odds are too heavy. For many a year -- perhaps always -- the training of the two nations had been dead against independence in political thought, persistently inhospitable toward Patriotism manufactured on a man's own premises, Patriotism reasoned out in the man's own head and fire-assayed and tested and proved in his own conscience. The resulting Patriotism was a shop-worn product procured at second hand. The Patriot did not know just how or when or where he got his opinions, neither did he care, so long as he was with what seemed the majority -- which was the main thing, the safe thing, the comfortable thing. Does the reader believe he knows three men who have actual reasons for their pattern of Patriotism -- and can furnish them? Let him not examine, unless he wants to be disappointed. He will be likely to find that his men got their Patriotism at the public trough, and had no hand in their preparation themselves.

Training does wonderful things. It moved the people of this country to oppose the Mexican war; then moved them to fall in with what they supposed was the opinion of the majority -- majority-Patriotism is the customary Patriotism -- and go down there and fight. Before the Civil War it made the North indifferent to slavery and friendly to the slave interest; in that interest it made Massachusetts hostile to the American flag, and she would not allow it to be hoisted on her State House -- in her eyes it was the flag of a faction. Then by and by, training swung Massachusetts the other way, and she went raging South to fight under that very flag and against that foretime protected-interest of hers.

Training made us nobly anxious to free Cuba; training made us give her a noble promise; training has enabled us to take it back. Long training made us revolt at the idea of wantonly taking any weak nation's country and liberties away from it, a short training has made us glad to do it, and proud of having done it. Training made us loathe Weyler's cruel concentration camps,* training has persuaded us to prefer them to any other device for winning the love of our "wards."

There is nothing that training cannot do. Nothing is above its reach or below it. It can turn bad morals to good, good morals to bad; it can destroy principles, it can re-create them; it can debase angels to men and lift men to angelship. And it can do any one of these miracles in a year -- even in six months.

Then men can be trained to manufacture their own Patriotism. They can be trained to labor it out in their own heads and hearts, and in the privacy and independence of their own premises. It can train them to stop taking it by command, as the Austrian takes his religion.
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* Valeriano Weyler y Nicolau was the Spanish military governor of Cuba in 1896 and 1897 until he was recalled from the post in October as a result of American protest against his ruthless administration. (Footnote by Frederick Anderson)

While Mark Twain wrote this, along with many other statements critical of American policies, around 1900, "As Regards Patriotism" was withheld from publication until 1923 when it appeared in Europe and Elsewhere.

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[Cyrus]

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Germany and Japan were probably in a close race for number 1 [in patriotism] around 1936, but that didn't turn out to be a very good thing.

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I dont know about Japan, and in Germany a public poll might have been very high on patriotism out of fear.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes. A significant number of Germans in the 1930s, the majority perhaps, were feverishly nationalist. We can safely presume that the nastionalists were patriotic.

And you believe those Germans were being patriotic out of ...fear ??

Wow. Care to offer anything that supports this extraordinary argument? I mean, you would be upending the consensus of historians, Germans and non-Germans alike, as well as putting the lie to the figures of election results; no small feat.

[dogsbestfriend06]

Patriotism as displayed by most is no different than an idiot sports fan who irrationally loves their team and hates all others, and has an overly emotional reaction just because some guys who he never knows happen to score some victory against some other guys he doesn't know--and neither group gives a [censored] about the guy to begin with.

See Copernicus for a demonstration of this behavior.

[clowntable]

The real question is what reason is there for patriotism and what's the definition of patriotism ?

I personally think that patriotism as it is usually interpreted (proud to be a member of country x) is just some sort of marketing mixed with strange group dynamics.

For me a patriot stands up for those that cannot stand up for themselves and trys to change his country for the better.

If all you do is wave a huge flag, you're not nessecarrily a patriot in my book.

[Utah]

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How do you define it? Is it positive or negative? I think 'my country right or wrong' is one of the dumbest things someone can say but feel free to pursuade me I'm wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]It is instinctual and and at one point in time a biological neccessity. It is simply a desire to protect one's own tribe. Whether that biological need still serves a purpose is debatable. However, those instincts are still there and need to be addressed in matters of political policy.