my version of ray zee's "the different stages in a player's life"

[Grisgra]

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What's supposed to be so different when you retire than when you had a 20 hour work week?

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That's a good question for these guys, not me -- I play 20hrs/week at poker on average, but I'm also a working stiff for 40hrs/week. Retire to me would mean just 10-20 hrs/week of poker and that's it.

But I can't see people *really* complaining about playing 20hrs/week of poker and not having a job, just because those 20hrs are a grind. And that's kinda what I'm hearing from Vehn, maybe others. (Or maybe their point is that in general they are quite happy, BUT, as far as that 20-30hrs/week go, damn, they hate poker.)

[Dan BRIGHT]

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nice post, i am stage 7

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[DJ Sensei]

I don't see why yall all hate poker so much. I'm a pro, and I still love poker! Obviously, its hard work to maintain a level of attention and intensity for 3 hour sessions of 6-tabling on your A game, and to keep working on your game so you can beat the higher levels is a commitment... but come on, its still a game, and we're (well, many of us at least) making way more money doing this than anybody else we know, on our own schedules, and without a boss breathing down your neck. What could be better?

[junglewarfare]

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I don't see why yall all hate poker so much. I'm running super hot right now

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FYP

[surfdoc]

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But I'd bet ya that I can get over the mentally aspect if I can get it to 100$/hour I'm fine.

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I don't understand the uber-bitching about those that hate hate hate poker, honestly -- maybe it comes with uber-ABC'ing while playing 8-tables (2-tabling higher limits is much more interesting/rewarding), but something odd does happen once you hit the spot where you're making $100 or $200 an hour. Maybe you want to watch TV. A voice in your head pops up and says "Sure, you could watch a 2-hour movie on TV. Or you could play 2 hours of poker and make $200-$400 bucks. That's a LOT of money. Why should you waste it watching TV?" Or hang out with some friends -- not uber-great friends, but a quite possibly enjoyable little social experience. But is it worth $1000? Because if you stayed home that night instead, that's probably how much you could make.

Is that two-hour movie worth $300?

Is that evening with friends worth $1000?

Because that's what you're sacrificing by watching that movie, or spending time with those friends. I mean, the movie can't be THAT good, and that evening can't be worth $1000, can it?!

Gets pretty [censored] up if you let it. Me, I'm a lazy hump, and play worse when I force myself to get hours in, so I can usually dodge those questions. But they're always in the back of my mind, and I bet that for some, a lot more than most.

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This kind of thinking eventually slips away and gets replaced by other more rational thought. I have been in a non poker job for 7 years with this income level. My job is also very hard. In addition, I can schedule myself to work as many hours as I want. At a certain point you just need to take the time off to live life and enjoy it. You can't look at it as $300 for a movie. You have to look at at as $300 to maintain sanity, enjoy life, avoid isolating yourself, and have some degree of inner peace. Then it becomes a bargain!

I am not going to get into the ridiculousness of statements in this thread about early retirement on 1.5 million since we have been down that road before.

[The DaveR]

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Looks pretty good except that I skipped stage 4.

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Seriously. Let's go back to stage 3 and try again.

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you're lucky evan. you ran bad enough that you got discouraged and went the job route. i'd trade places with you right now in a heartbeat. you stalled in stage 3 but you can choose to keep going if you wish

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Hi Josh. If you want, I have a job for you in Cleveland in like two months. Maybe one in NY, but that means you have to help me find a job in NY.

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i may want a job in cleveland. would i have to wear khaki pants?

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Suits. Time to be an adult teacherman.

[The DaveR]

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Looks pretty good except that I skipped stage 4.

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Seriously. Let's go back to stage 3 and try again.

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you're lucky evan. you ran bad enough that you got discouraged and went the job route. i'd trade places with you right now in a heartbeat. you stalled in stage 3 but you can choose to keep going if you wish

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Hi Josh. If you want, I have a job for you in Cleveland in like two months. Maybe one in NY, but that means you have to help me find a job in NY.

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How come you never offered to take me to Cleveland? [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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Diablo and I figured out what it would take you to move. You're too expensive.

[The DaveR]

BTW, this is a pretty good synopsis of most people who graduate college, work on Wall St, and then take stock of their lives after 5 years.

[Grisgra]

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I am not going to get into the ridiculousness of statements in this thread about early retirement on 1.5 million since we have been down that road before.

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You guys must just have much more extravagant lifestyles than I do -- or a bunch of kids you plan on putting through private schools, pay for their college, whatever. No reason someone couldn't make 1.5 million, buy a nice house with 300k in the midwest somewhere, then survive on the interest they make off of the 1.2 million that's left (plus, perhaps, the 30k-40k or whatever they make a year dicking around playing poker whenever they feel like it).

1.2 million in the bank, you're probably making at least 6% on it through investments/whatnot (6% after taxes), keep half of that in their so that your egg scales with inflation, that leaves you around 40k to spend as you please a year, + poker money on the side. And no mortgage.

If you can't live on 60k to 70k a year after taxes, no mortgage, well, okay, but a lot of us would do just fine. Maybe a couple of my assumptions are off and you'd need 2 mil instead of 1.5, but it wouldn't be much more than that for a non-breeder, non-jet-setter.

[Larry David]

8. Player discovers live poker and finds a whole new world of poker and enjoys it again.

9-x: Player relives all the stages he went through in online poker

y: Player shoots everyone in his family and then himself.