GOSH-DARN MINRAISERS

[wyoak]

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So he raises your bet on the flop, indicating a better hand than you.

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If this always indicates a better hand than you, why bother raising?
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Next he bets on the turn, still indicating a good hand, one which he considered better than top pair (we assume) on the flop.

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Why does he only do this with AK+?
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Then you push? Why is he ever going to fold here, or call and show a worse hand?!

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He probably isn't going to fold, but that's not the point. And even if he does fold, you got an extra bluff out of him. And yes, he will show a worse hand sometimes.

You still haven't given me a good amount to raise him on the flop.....

[slartibartfast]

>>> So he raises your bet on the flop, indicating a better hand than you.

If this always indicates a better hand than you, why bother raising? <<<

Read my first post (and several others) I advocated folding as by far and away the best course. Other than that I suggested raising as opposed to calling. If you want to continue with the hand you probably think he's bluffing, so I suggested raising might confirm or deny this suspicion. Others hold different views, make your mind up yourself and have fun.

[wyoak]

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Read my first post (and several others) I advocated folding as by far and away the best course. Other than that I suggested raising as opposed to calling. If you want to continue with the hand you probably think he's bluffing, so I suggested raising might confirm or deny this suspicion.

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Why do you want him to fold if he's bluffing? WHAT AMOUNT ARE YOU RAISING TO?
Also, as others have pointed out, some people minraise with nonsense like K9. I don't think calling is much worse than folding, if it's worse at all, but raising is definitely at the bottom of the pile, covered in poo.

[FreakDaddy]

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call, AI on turn.
easiest hand, i love busting ppl on their first hand in the game.

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zzzzz once again the answer is lost in a bunch of wordy other posts about god knows what

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You guys are g00t except if you call (which I think you should do), what hand is calling the all-in on the turn that we beat? If villian pushes... well then it's tough, but we know this much about villian, he's impatient if he can't wait one hand to post.

[slartibartfast]

>>> Why do you want him to fold if he's bluffing? WHAT AMOUNT ARE YOU RAISING TO? Also, as others have pointed out, some people minraise with nonsense like K9. I don't think calling is much worse than folding, if it's worse at all, but raising is definitely at the bottom of the pile, covered in poo. <<<


I'm envisioning you now at the bottom of that pile you mention, hmmm. You make a compelling and highly intellectual argument for calling the flop bet. Why not call a turn and river bet also by the same reasoning, and just in case he may be bluffing. In fact why not call all bets and raises just in case, well if you never ever raise you'd never know...

[sketchy1]

ALLIN

he has $200 left, if you're going to play this hand, and you're going to call any bet on the turn, just shove your stack up his ass and see what happens. you probably have the best hand. he would LIKELY fold KT, K5, T5 to a raise OOP unless he's just hopeless. he would also likely raise UTG with TT or possibly 55. the worst possible hand is 55, since you're drawing slim and he could conceivably not raise and just check UTG.

seriously, why do you guys ALWAYS post these miniraise hands?? are you really affraid of the nuts everytime someone does this? you haven't seen people miniraise and turn over one pair 3/4 of the time like i have?

[wyoak]

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>>> Why do you want him to fold if he's bluffing? WHAT AMOUNT ARE YOU RAISING TO? Also, as others have pointed out, some people minraise with nonsense like K9. I don't think calling is much worse than folding, if it's worse at all, but raising is definitely at the bottom of the pile, covered in poo. <<<


I'm envisioning you now at the bottom of that pile you mention, hmmm. You make a compelling and highly intellectual argument for calling the flop bet. Why not call a turn and river bet also by the same reasoning, and just in case he may be bluffing. In fact why not call all bets and raises just in case, well if you never ever raise you'd never know...

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You're missing the point...if you raise, you blow all hands that you beat out of the pot. If you call, some of those same hands will continue giving you money.

If you're beat, you're losing your stack 100% of the time when you raise, unless you're raising some magical amount that you can get away from, which is why I continue to ask you HOW MUCH YOU WOULD RAISE.

[FishSticks]

wyoak -

Reminraise, then check/fold.

Duh.

[wyoak]

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wyoak -

Reminraise, then check/fold.

Duh.

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That makes sense. According to the highly scientific and much referenced poll mentioned earlier, a minraise means a great hand. Thus, a reminrase must represent nothing less than the pure nuts, and villian will fold middle set.

[slartibartfast]

Here's an old poker saying a lot of you seem not to have heard of, "don't go broke with one pair".

How many of you would call off your entire stack to the river with just TPTK - remember that in this case you hold a weaker hand, and many of you seem to think you're seeing a showdown no matter what.