Anyone that doesnt tip the dealer?

[Lestat]

Like it or not, casinos have found a way to get their patrons to pay the bulk of their employee's wage. If you want to correct this, take issue with them. NOT with the dealers.

As a professional poker player, I NEED good dealers. You attract good dealers by insuring they make a decent wage. When dealers fail to make a decent wage, you are left with only incompetents doing the job.

I make considerably more playing, than most dealers make dealing. To this extent, good dealers are worth more to me, than I am to them. It's people like you who are the reason there are not as many good competent dealers as there should be.

[dicelumpY2005]

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Seriously dude, WTF is with your incessant need to revive year-old threads?

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WTF is everyone's need to start tipping threads over and over again?

[spino1i]

Well the people who think dealer quality matters tip, the people that dont, dont tip. Pretty simple if you ask me..

[tom10167]

How much do you guys tip in real big pots? $1? Or more?

[spino1i]

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How much do you guys tip in real big pots? $1? Or more?

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The most I will ever tip is $1 period. Even if its a 500x BB pot.

[theRabbit]

Assuming you are serious..FYI…

When I played semi-professionally in the '70's I had similar feelings. I really needed the $$ to pay for things like rent and food. I now feel that not tipping is probably always a mistake, both from an ethical as well as pragmatic point of view.

Just my thoughts but I hope they help. Tipping is important for numbers of reasons. (If it matter when reading this I almost only play 3-6 limit hold’em where the rake plus jackpot usually equals the blinds so it is a significant factor. So is the extra income.)

I usually tip $1 if the pot is over $10 (which is almost always). If the pot is big (say over $100) I might tip $2 or even more, especially if I just sucked out. You can vary the ranges slightly to adjust your tipping amount.

1) When you go someplace where tipping is usual, there is an implied, unwritten contract, between you and the service provider, that when you use the service, you will tip. The only exception might be if the service is really bad. That’s just the way it is and your denying it will not change the fact. So if you do not like it, take it up with the management. The dealer's income depends heavily on tips.

2) If you do not tip, the dealer and everyone at the table will quickly notice. This includes not tipping other service persons like waiter/waitress. People will notice even more so if you are tight plus do not tip. At the limit I play, keeping the game fun and happy is super important. Most people are playing to have a good time and gamble it up. I do not want a fun but loose player using cheapness as an excuse to leave the table. It has happened on occasion. Everyone else also seems to notice this. Dealing is hard work and dealers depend on tips for salary, frequently to support their family.

3) A dealer should always give good service but, pragmatically, better service is better. The dealer has a certain amount of discretion. For example, a dealer can protect your hand better if you fail to do so. It has happened to me more than once and the result can be significant.

4) I am sure you’ve heard the expression “What goes around comes around”. If you do not believe it now, you will some day. Yes it adds up, but I really believe the alternative is worse.

In the end, you will make you own decision anyway. If it effects your game it will effect your bottom line.

[adhoc]

Tipping $1 per pot is excessive and does not correlate to the type of tipping that is common in every other service industry.

I am willing to grant that dealing is a service and that tipping is both part of the culture of gambling and expected out of sympathy with the poverty of dealers. However, to tip after each hand is unreasonable, just as it would be unreasonable to tip any other service-provider each time they performed an incremental step in their job.

One is not expected to tip a waiter everytime he brings a course or a drink to one's table at a restaurant, nor is one required to tip a barber every time he snips away a hair. You tip these people when you leave them, after they have served you.

I therefore tip only after a dealer's down, and I do not tip if I have not won a pot during that down. My tip is never greater than $1. I do not tip if the dealer begs for tips, since this is undignified and tipping would serve to perpetuate this species of brazenness.

[theRabbit]

$1/hand may be excessive but I do not know that. The cost of living here is very high. Someone working at Starbucks makes around $10/hour. I do not know how many hours the average dealer gets to work as activity varies with the time a lot with the time of day.

In the clubs I frequent (San Francisco/San Jose) virtually everyone tips at least $1/hand. On winning a large pot some will tip several dollars. (I almost never do) There are no chips less than $1 in play and tipping with coins would be viewed with distain.

If you do not tip or tip well when the dealer changes, I think it will be noticed by at least some of the others in the game and you will be pegged as a "tight ass". I play mostly 3-6 where the rake equals the blinds. To win I am dependent playing relatively few hand and getting lots of action when I do. If people view me as tight I definitely think I will get less action. If so, not tipping $1/hand will cost me lots of money. Just my perspective. Your location and mileage may vary.

[terp]

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In the casino I play at the tips are pooled so by tipping a dealer I am also tipping the other 100 plus dealers half of which are jackasses.

So why am I tipping the jackasses?

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responding constructively to this would require that i believe logic would persuade the illogical.

i'll save my time and simply add, YSSCKY.

[dicelumpY2005]

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In the casino I play at the tips are pooled so by tipping a dealer I am also tipping the other 100 plus dealers half of which are jackasses.

So why am I tipping the jackasses?


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I would hate to agree with that logic, but you are right...some dealers in a tip pool are leaches off of the ones who can deal. Trust me, these guys get a label on them behind the closed doors of an employee dining room, break room, or whatever... Some of them even get grief about it. Oh well, I make it a point to let people who throw a dollar in to me when I just sat down, thinking they are tipping all the dealers, that I will give it to the last dealer since we're keeping our own and he earned it. Others that are ignorant to that fact quickly become aware that the better dealers are earning their own pay...