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  #781  
Old 06-07-2007, 02:33 AM
Supwithbates Supwithbates is offline
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Default I was berated for this, but...

I pretty much read villain like a pro and I'm pretty much NEVER behind here.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $58.75
BB: $66.65
UTG: $50.00
MP: $50.00
CO: $21.00
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $267.15</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, SB calls $1.75, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3.00</font>, SB calls $3.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($10.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">River:</font> ($10.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $6.00</font>, Hero calls $6.00

Pot Size: $22.50 ($1.10 Rake)

SB had 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Fours) and LOST (-$11.00)
Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and WON (+$10.40)


Bonus brag: 530BB stack
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:39 AM
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Default Re: Run good .... YO !

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upswing continues

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<u>hero (SB): $9.90</u>
BB: $47.35
<u>UTG: $10.05</u>
MP: $7.45
<u>CO: $9.25</u>
<u>BTN: $18.25</u>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.30</font>, MP folds, CO calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, <font color="red">hero raises to $1.45</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $1.15, CO calls $1.15, BTN calls $1.15

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($5.90) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">hero bets all-in for $8.45</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $8.60</font>, CO calls all-in for $7.80, BTN calls $8.60

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($39.35) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players - 3 All-In)

<font color="black">River:</font> ($39.35) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players - 3 All-In)

Pot Size: $39.35 ($1.95 Rake)

BTN had 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a straight, Ace to Five) and WON (+$27.35)
CO had 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and LOST (-$9.25)
UTG had 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Sevens) and LOST (-$10.05)
hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and LOST (-$9.90)

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stop overplaying TPTK. how much fold equity did you think you had against 3 villians in a 3bet pot? you knew any ace was calling, you knew that any hand beating you at that point was calling. not smooth me thinks. note all villians that they are calling raises light.


no real way to get away from the second hand. depending on how CO has been playing, im not sure i 3bet PF either.

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you're right about the AK hand, I keep doing the same stupid thing everytime. As for the other hand I always 3bet QQ preflop, I think I should have made it larger though.

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im still not sure about the 3bet though, regardless of what you always do. what is your read on villian? he bet 5xBB, i dont think a 3bet is going to make him go away. however, since you are out of position, a 3bet does seem like a good idea throwing out some hope that he will fold and you wont have to play from the SB. the 3bet definately needed to be bigger. i think i make it like 1.50 or so.

if you know you played the AK hand bad, stop doing it. simple as pie. to make you feel better, check out this AK hand. this is how you are supposed to play AK.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($3.27)
SB ($4.14)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($5.15)</font>
UTG ($2.13)
<font color="#C00000">MP ($3.65)</font>
CO ($1.08)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.02, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.16</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $0.14, Button folds, SB folds.

Flop: ($0.38) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $0.6</font>, Hero calls $0.30.

Turn: ($1.58) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1</font>, MP calls $1.

River: ($3.58) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.9</font>, MP calls $1.89 (All-In).

Final Pot: $7.37

Results below:
Hero has Ad Ks (two pair, aces and kings).
MP has As 5s (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $7.37.
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:49 AM
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Default Re: Run good .... YO !

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Wheeeeeeeeee

LegoPoker has a new face, and new features!

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sweet! registered and good to go...gogogo. nice work
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:50 AM
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Default Re: Run good .... YO !

3 betting AK seems ok, I sometimes do it and sometimes don't. I wouldn't do it against someone with a ridiculously low pfr, but most of the time you won't be behind.
tehdiceman, the hand you posted is a much different situation then losingdonkey's hand. I'm not sure what you're trying to show here.
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:56 AM
tehDiceman tehDiceman is offline
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Default Re: Run good .... YO !

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3 betting AK seems ok, I sometimes do it and sometimes don't. I wouldn't do it against someone with a ridiculously low pfr, but most of the time you won't be behind.
tehdiceman, the hand you posted is a much different situation then losingdonkey's hand. I'm not sure what you're trying to show here.

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i know. just that i run goot....finally. :-D

a lot of times i do 3bet AK, especially if it is suited. it is also read dependent and how active i've been on the table, etc.
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:12 AM
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Default Re: Run good .... YO !

Why dont you guys 3bet it 100%?

AK is the nuts preflop.
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:15 AM
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Default Re: Run good .... YO !

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upswing continues

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<u>hero (SB): $9.90</u>
BB: $47.35
<u>UTG: $10.05</u>
MP: $7.45
<u>CO: $9.25</u>
<u>BTN: $18.25</u>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.30</font>, MP folds, CO calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, <font color="red">hero raises to $1.45</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $1.15, CO calls $1.15, BTN calls $1.15

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($5.90) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">hero bets all-in for $8.45</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $8.60</font>, CO calls all-in for $7.80, BTN calls $8.60

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($39.35) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players - 3 All-In)

<font color="black">River:</font> ($39.35) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players - 3 All-In)

Pot Size: $39.35 ($1.95 Rake)

BTN had 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a straight, Ace to Five) and WON (+$27.35)
CO had 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and LOST (-$9.25)
UTG had 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Sevens) and LOST (-$10.05)
hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and LOST (-$9.90)

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stop overplaying TPTK. how much fold equity did you think you had against 3 villians in a 3bet pot? you knew any ace was calling, you knew that any hand beating you at that point was calling. not smooth me thinks. note all villians that they are calling raises light.


no real way to get away from the second hand. depending on how CO has been playing, im not sure i 3bet PF either.

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Since you 3bet preflop I think this hand is played fine. What, are you seriously thinking about bet/folding with just over one PSB left in your stack?

This is just bad variance, don't worry about it.
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:17 AM
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Default Re: Run good .... YO !

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upswing continues

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<u>hero (SB): $9.90</u>
BB: $47.35
<u>UTG: $10.05</u>
MP: $7.45
<u>CO: $9.25</u>
<u>BTN: $18.25</u>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.30</font>, MP folds, CO calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, <font color="red">hero raises to $1.45</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $1.15, CO calls $1.15, BTN calls $1.15

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($5.90) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">hero bets all-in for $8.45</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $8.60</font>, CO calls all-in for $7.80, BTN calls $8.60

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($39.35) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players - 3 All-In)

<font color="black">River:</font> ($39.35) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players - 3 All-In)

Pot Size: $39.35 ($1.95 Rake)

BTN had 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a straight, Ace to Five) and WON (+$27.35)
CO had 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and LOST (-$9.25)
UTG had 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Sevens) and LOST (-$10.05)
hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and LOST (-$9.90)

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stop overplaying TPTK. how much fold equity did you think you had against 3 villians in a 3bet pot? you knew any ace was calling, you knew that any hand beating you at that point was calling. not smooth me thinks. note all villians that they are calling raises light.


no real way to get away from the second hand. depending on how CO has been playing, im not sure i 3bet PF either.

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you're right about the AK hand, I keep doing the same stupid thing everytime. As for the other hand I always 3bet QQ preflop, I think I should have made it larger though.

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im still not sure about the 3bet though, regardless of what you always do. what is your read on villian? he bet 5xBB, i dont think a 3bet is going to make him go away. however, since you are out of position, a 3bet does seem like a good idea throwing out some hope that he will fold and you wont have to play from the SB. the 3bet definately needed to be bigger. i think i make it like 1.50 or so.

if you know you played the AK hand bad, stop doing it. simple as pie. to make you feel better, check out this AK hand. this is how you are supposed to play AK.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($3.27)
SB ($4.14)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($5.15)</font>
UTG ($2.13)
<font color="#C00000">MP ($3.65)</font>
CO ($1.08)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.02, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.16</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $0.14, Button folds, SB folds.

Flop: ($0.38) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $0.6</font>, Hero calls $0.30.

Turn: ($1.58) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1</font>, MP calls $1.

River: ($3.58) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.9</font>, MP calls $1.89 (All-In).

Final Pot: $7.37

Results below:
Hero has Ad Ks (two pair, aces and kings).
MP has As 5s (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $7.37.

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So the way to play AK is to find a villain that can't fold any top pair?

In all seriousness, yes this is well-played but so is the one posted by losingdonkey. I have a feeling you're being slightly too results-oriented here, because I think you'd also be asking where you went wrong if you'd played it the same way and villain had flipped up a flopped set. You'd be asking, "should I fold to the flop minraise?"
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:25 AM
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Default Re: Official JUNE uNL **\'`MICROBREW THREAD`\'** LC/NC this way...

i tilt good

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (2 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($529.90)
BB ($733)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls $5, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $534.9</font>, BB calls $489.90.

Flop: ($1064.80) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: ($1064.80) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($1064.80) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $1064.80

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Td Ts (two pair, tens and threes).
BB has 7h Kc (one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins $1064.80. </font>
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:26 AM
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Default Re: Official JUNE uNL **\'`MICROBREW THREAD`\'** LC/NC this way...

yes, that was my br there.
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