***Official November Chat Thread: The Golden Duck***

[coordi]

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Ugh.

I'm so sick of being mini check-raised on the flop over and over.

I started reraising with trash because I was a bit tilty.

How do you guys deal with it? Just constantly let hands go?

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QFT. Seems some of the bad regs figure thats the best way to float now. I raise trash every once in a hwile on boards that seem good for them to bluff. Mostly I let [censored] go though, it tilts me greatly.

[jack frost]

uuuhhh another great player tries to hand me his monies but ........oh wait a minute pokerstars wipes his azz

PokerStars Game #13084863808: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/11/06 - 20:14:15 (ET)
Table 'Bellerophon II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: booker_tg ($202.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Fouruvakind ($111 in chips)
Seat 3: IamTazz ($41.90 in chips)
Seat 4: Quads420 ($148 in chips)
Seat 5: the_main ($215.85 in chips)
Seat 6: jackk frost ($197 in chips)
Seat 7: egon19 ($201 in chips)
Seat 8: ryanmack91 ($163.85 in chips)
Seat 9: meyer77 ($140.25 in chips)
egon19: posts small blind $1
ryanmack91: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jackk frost [8d 7d]
meyer77: folds
booker_tg: folds
Fouruvakind: raises $4 to $6
IamTazz: folds
Quads420: calls $6
the_main: calls $6
jackk frost: calls $6
egon19: calls $5
ryanmack91: calls $4
*** FLOP *** [4h Kd Jd]
egon19: checks
ryanmack91: checks
Fouruvakind: checks
Quads420: checks
the_main: checks
jackk frost: checks
*** TURN *** [4h Kd Jd] [Td]
egon19: checks
ryanmack91: checks
Fouruvakind: checks
Quads420: checks
the_main: checks
jackk frost: bets $26
egon19: folds
ryanmack91: calls $26
Fouruvakind: folds
Quads420: calls $26
the_main: folds
*** RIVER *** [4h Kd Jd Td] [Ks]
ryanmack91: checks
Quads420: bets $65
jackk frost: calls $65
ryanmack91: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Quads420: shows [4c 4s] (a full house, Fours full of Kings)
jackk frost: mucks hand
Quads420 collected $241 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $244 | Rake $3
Board [4h Kd Jd Td Ks]
Seat 1: booker_tg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Fouruvakind folded on the Turn
Seat 3: IamTazz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Quads420 showed [4c 4s] and won ($241) with a full house, Fours full of Kings
Seat 5: the_main folded on the Turn
Seat 6: jackk frost (button) mucked [8d 7d]
Seat 7: egon19 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: ryanmack91 (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 9: meyer77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[1p0kerboy]

I think I'm going to put "check-raises flop" stat back up on my HUD.

I like the line of checking the flop and then bluff-raising the turn against these types of villians.

Of course, if they were smart they would concentrate on playing in position more rather than OOP.

[Grinding2Ecstasy]

I personally hate the 'call preflop, check-call dry flop, then lead on blank turn' that villains seem to do a lot lately.

[jack frost]

and yet another idiot scores

PokerStars Game #13085574958: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/11/06 - 20:51:57 (ET)
Table 'Lydina' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: vluff ($200 in chips)
Seat 2: yholiday ($73.80 in chips)
Seat 3: wildogg2k5 ($213.30 in chips)
Seat 5: tmbtone ($200 in chips)
Seat 6: Dilith ($336.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Steve McNair ($191 in chips)
Seat 8: jackk frost ($208.65 in chips)
Seat 9: the_main ($190 in chips)
wildogg2k5: posts small blind $1
slim pikkens: is sitting out
tmbtone: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jackk frost [5s 5h]
slim pikkens leaves the table
Dilith: folds
Steve McNair: folds
jackk frost: raises $6 to $8
the_main: folds
vluff: folds
yholiday: folds
wildogg2k5: calls $7
tmbtone: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [5d Qc 3h]
wildogg2k5: checks
tmbtone: checks
jackk frost: bets $15
wildogg2k5: calls $15
tmbtone: folds
*** TURN *** [5d Qc 3h] [7d]
wildogg2k5: checks
jackk frost: bets $40
wildogg2k5: raises $40 to $80
jackk frost: raises $105.65 to $185.65 and is all-in
wildogg2k5: calls $105.65
*** RIVER *** [5d Qc 3h 7d] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wildogg2k5: shows [Qh Qs] (a full house, Queens full of Sevens)
jackk frost: mucks hand
wildogg2k5 collected $422.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $425.30 | Rake $3
Board [5d Qc 3h 7d 7s]
Seat 1: vluff folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: yholiday (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: wildogg2k5 (small blind) showed [Qh Qs] and won ($422.30) with a full house, Queens full of Sevens
Seat 5: tmbtone (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Dilith folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Steve McNair folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jackk frost mucked [5s 5h]
Seat 9: the_main folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[boston]

PB i pmed u this but here is info i found that was helpful

Vs tricky players, we need to be getting to showdown w A high and bottom pair hands. They have showdown value, especially vs a player who is calling you with a wide range to try and craise you on the flop. Also as someone said, your made hands are going to be alot more valueable vs opponents who are craising with a wide range. Shoving large pieces of the flop over a craise, like flushdraws Openenders will be valuable. Floating the craise is going to slow them down alot, if they craise, you can flat call and take the pot away on the turn.

[NT=TOOLBOX]

where did you find this info?

[jack frost]

and yet again not 5 minutes later

PokerStars Game #13085867181: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/11/06 - 21:07:19 (ET)
Table 'Lydina' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: vluff ($241 in chips)
Seat 2: yholiday ($54.80 in chips)
Seat 3: wildogg2k5 ($446.40 in chips)
Seat 4: mr_scrimmage ($158 in chips)
Seat 5: tmbtone ($211.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Dilith ($353.10 in chips)
Seat 7: miken27freak ($100 in chips)
Seat 8: jackk frost ($222.55 in chips)
Seat 9: the_main ($203 in chips)
miken27freak: posts small blind $1
jackk frost: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jackk frost [Ah Ad]
the_main: folds
vluff: folds
yholiday: folds
wildogg2k5: raises $6 to $8
mr_scrimmage: calls $8
tmbtone: folds
Dilith: folds
miken27freak: folds
jackk frost: raises $24 to $32
wildogg2k5: folds
mr_scrimmage: raises $24 to $56
jackk frost: raises $166.55 to $222.55 and is all-in
mr_scrimmage: calls $102 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Tc 3s 5h]
*** TURN *** [Tc 3s 5h] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 3s 5h 3d] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jackk frost: shows [Ah Ad] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
mr_scrimmage: shows [Kc Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Threes)
mr_scrimmage collected $322 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $325 | Rake $3
Board [Tc 3s 5h 3d Kd]
Seat 1: vluff folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: yholiday folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: wildogg2k5 folded before Flop
Seat 4: mr_scrimmage showed [Kc Ks] and won ($322) with a full house, Kings full of Threes
Seat 5: tmbtone folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Dilith (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: miken27freak (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: jackk frost (big blind) showed [Ah Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 9: the_main folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[boston]

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where did you find this info?

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i found it at a page in CRunners when i was trying to find a way to play against getting check raised a bunch. There was a good discussion on different plays and what i posted pretty much summed it up.

[too eazy]

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