STTF SNG->cash thread

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What does a guy like that flat call with in the BB that just calls the flop? AJ ATs KQs/QJs 66? I'm not sure what else he can really have that makes it to the turn. AJ probably calls a turn bet, 66 probably raises, ATcc calls a turn bet, KQ/QJ probably fold. So on the river that leaves ATcc, AJ, and weirdly played AQ and 66 hands. I don't know how much of that range you can really get him off of with a third barrel.

[futuredoc85]

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I'll post a fun hand from today
Effective stack 430
CO raises t12 I have A7hh and call in the SB BB folds.
Flop is 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Check, check
Turn is the 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I bet 25, he makes it 60, I call
River is the J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I check, he bets 108, I call.

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meh vs a lot of people id snapcall here, but read-less i think id let this go.

[futuredoc85]

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And another one from yesterday.
Effective stacks 523
I have TT in the HJ raise t14, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop is J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villain checks, I bet 27, He calls.
Turn is the Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Check, check,
River is the Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
He bets $60, I call.

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i play it the same and expect to win (or split) like always

[futuredoc85]

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Villain is 21/17 ex sng player.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($70.20)
Hero ($118.95)
BB ($115.40)
UTG ($153.70)
MP ($20)
CO ($106.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($3) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $7</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $5.

Turn: ($17) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: ($17) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12.

Final Pot: $41

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i like the way this is played, plenty of missed draws for him to be stabbing with

[futuredoc85]

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Villain is 19/13 reg who previous called my button raise from BB, then c/r on a Kxx, 2 tone flop with AQo and chkd down unimproved.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($119.55)
MP ($50.50)
CO ($152.55)
Button ($87)
SB ($26.85)
BB ($196.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($9.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $27</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero

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i can shove this profitably, depends on your table image but on this board i can def see a meh/bad TAG stacking w/ JX b/c he figures you wouldnt play a big hand like that. If he had raised smaller we could talk about waiting for the turn but this is the price you pay for having that stupid bet pot button.

[futuredoc85]

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Villain is 23/4/1

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($154)
BB ($57.75)
UTG ($155.55)
MP ($48)
CO ($25.35)
Button ($197.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($3) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, BB folds, MP calls $2.

Turn: ($7) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, MP calls $5.

River: ($17) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $40 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $28.

Final Pot: $97

Anyone fold the riv or c/c?

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raise preflop, river is prob a b/f but i cant blame you for calling

[futuredoc85]

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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($407)
Hero ($575.30)
CO ($400)
Button ($138)
SB ($155.40)
BB ($821.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($30) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $22</font>, BB calls $22.

Turn: ($74) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $56</font>, BB calls $56.

River: ($186) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks


Villian is 19/16, may be a 2p2er but im not sure. Would you double barrel here? Would you triple barrel?

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dbl barrel is OK i think. let it go now. I play AXs just like villain all the time vs 2p2ers b/c people bluff so much on A hi boards. FWIW i like the double barrel a lot more if the A comes on the turn rather than the flop.

[Pudge714]

Bones,
45 hand is fine, but against lots of guys I vbet river.

I would def raise 88 preflop is villains were 100bbs deep, but since you are 50 bbs effective I don't mind completing as much. I think you need to call river because you need to be good like 30% of the time.

I'm not folding QQ there if he has 44 or 55 it sucks. I think I just shove calling looks pretty huge and this isn't a good board to bluff on. Since he bluffed you earlier he will be a lot more inclined to call this flop shove with a jack.

Costanza,
I don't like trying to get people to fold top pair. If I were to bluff the river I would overbet something like 250.

[Jbrochu]

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And another one from yesterday.
Effective stacks 523
I have TT in the HJ raise t14, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop is J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villain checks, I bet 27, He calls.
Turn is the Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Check, check,
River is the Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
He bets $60, I call.

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Pudge can you walk me through this hand with your thinking on each street? The only thing I don't "get" is the call on the river, but I would like to hear your thinking with your read on villain as you play each street.

[futuredoc85]

J, the only hand that makes any sense for villain in that hand is 33-TT, since there arent any draws at all on the flop. I think if he c/c AX on that flop he would 100% c/c river with it. I guess he could have KQ some tiny % of the time but i cant really think of anything else that beats you.