AVERAGE SPEED VIII: GAME THREAD

[soah]

Zurvan,

This game would be a lot easier if I could be sure about you one way or the other. So hopefully you are a villager and will listen to this.

You say "I've never seen a villager list 8 or 9 people that they'd "be willing to vote" or "should be looked at" to start a day." You have previously referred to it as my "suspect list". Look at it again. Nowhere do I say it is my suspect list. Nowhere do I say that I am willing to vote for anyone on my list. Nor does it have 8-9 people on it. I briefly discussed seven people, three of which I specifically said I was NOT voting for. I do not understand why you think it would be villagery of me to just put blinders on. There are still FOUR wolves out there. Just focusing on one or two people, while ignoring everything else entirely, is NOT helpful in the long run. You say that it is a great wolf tactic for me to post a long list of people so that I can justify voting for any of them. Why would it not be an even greater wolf tactic to just wait and see where the wagons form, and then conveniently pick a couple villagers out of that group as your primary suspects? In short, you are REALLY jumping to conclusions. Just because it is POSSIBLE for me to act like this as a wolf, does not mean that it is LIKELY.

As for xorbie, in order to use his death to implicate me, you must assume all of the following:

- I am a wolf
- I believed that xorbie was the seer
- I believed that xorbie peeked me
- I believed that xorbie's reference to me was a seer clue
- I believed that this was more likely than someone else being the seer

If you would like, I could go step by step to show why each of these individually is unlikely, which will show that the probability of ALL of them being true is quite remote.

[soah]

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I'm also going to go back to that chuck/MDD thing, for a moment. If soah is a wolf, I'm about 99% certain that chuck is not. Which also makes me think that MDD is not. By pushing the relationship he has there, he's trying to establish a string of villager lynches. This is something that shorty attempted in All-Stars, and I'm almost positive soah mentioned that he followed that game.

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First of all, I have not discussed chuckles much at all, and I've made exactly one comment relating MDD and chuckles to each other, which was that if chuckles is a wolf, then MDD is clear. I have at no time said anything about voting MDD. Just because his name is in a post labeled "initial thoughts" does not mean that I have any intention of voting him. My analysis of him was that I did not want to vote him unless/until I had more reasons to do so. And also, I have never stated that I followed the All-Stars game, because that would be a lie. Seriously, that thing went like 3 million posts just to get one lynch... I don't have time to read all that.

Due to bolding issues... still voting thebram

[Hornacek]

Okay everyone:

I am about 10 pages behind. I am going to go back to Saturday morning, read, and quote and post any posts I found strange. Hopefully this kickstarts the thread.

[soah]

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I'm not sure why soah has such a hard on for me

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You tried to save Patton at the end of Day 1. Start of Day 2 you vote Tokyo, don't explain why, and refuse to discuss anything, at all.

[GetThere1Time]

I'm here. I'm subbing. I've been up all night playing poker and I'm tired. Reading this thread is gonna blow. lol subaments

[fnord_too]

I will try to go over this whole thread today, but work may get in the way. Here is one thing I think is pretty big though:

Soah is spending a whole lot of time defending himself, and arguing quite vocally. I honestly don't recall him from other games, so this is definitely not characteristic, because I am pretty sure I have played with him before. In general, long defenses are put up by power roles (duh). I don't even think soah has had any real pressure on him, unless you count a one bobo crusade pressure.

I will stop sitting on the fence and put a soah vote in now.

Bobo is in rare form, and I really have no idea what he is, other than really confusing. I am a bit concerned about his whole "Oh, well, I never read that part of the thread where lucky fake seered and said a villager was a wolf" bit. He puts a lot of effort and thought into his attacks, I think, and that just seems careless beyond reason, so if it is not just another bobo ploy, I am pretty worried. He was silent for a day or so though, and I don't think if he in on line he can be silent, so maybe he really did just not see a bunch of posts.

[Hornacek]

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Oooh early day, and no one awake yet.

Initial thoughts:

(btw, I just woke up, so I reserve the right to say "wtf was I thinking when I wrote that!?" for the next 1.5 hours)

- dmk and McNutty had a combined total of 1 post on Day 2 with a combined total of roughly zero content. They both show up to turbo-lynch on Day 3 without adding any of their thoughts. Villages rely on information. People that don't contribute information don't help the village. People that don't help the village get lynched. I don't expect it to happen today, but my willingness to lynch you has increased.

- Horn and Magra both had useless throwaway votes on Day 1, and pushed for luckay on Day 2. I was going to write some more on Magra, but I can't find a post I was looking for, so I might be thinking of something that someone else wrote. I'll elaborate more later, I guess.

- thebram looks really bad

- I'm warming up to the idea of a chuckles lynch. I'm not convinced of it... but I'm not feeling any villagery vibes from him, and lynching him would get us a lot more information than lynching some of the other candidates

- MDD has made me cringe on several posts, but he is not dying today. If chuckles is a wolf, then I think he is pretty clear. If chuckles is villager, then I'm a bit uncertain.

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Soah, you write this nice long post Saturday morning showing your suspicion on many of us, yet your vote goes to Bram, without any explanation at all?

This seems strange.

[Thebram]

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I'm not sure why soah has such a hard on for me

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You tried to save Patton at the end of Day 1. Start of Day 2 you vote Tokyo, don't explain why, and refuse to discuss anything, at all.

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I dont remember trying to save patton, I just felt I didnt have a good enough read on him to lynch him at that point.
I was wrong, big surprise.

There was something obviously off about tokyo after day 1. I can go back and find examples if you'd like, but honestly I dont think that would help enough to be worthwhile.

The contributing factors for my non-participation up to that point include

1) I'm not likely to post, unless I have something to say
2) I was hesitant to do another ASx game, due to the post diarrhea that has occured with the last few. I decided for this game I wasnt going to contribute to that early on.

[soah]

Uh, I've been voting thebram since Day 2.

[Zurvan]

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As for xorbie, in order to use his death to implicate me, you must assume all of the following:


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For someobody who likes to insult my reading comprehension, you seem to have a serious issue with it.

I DON'T THINK XORBIE'S DEATH IMPLICATED YOU. OR BRAM.

I've said that like three times, but you like to pretend that's why I'm voting you. Probably because it's your only defense.

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Why would it not be an even greater wolf tactic to just wait and see where the wagons form, and then conveniently pick a couple villagers out of that group as your primary suspects?

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EVERY SINGLE NAME on that list was mentioned as a suspect by multiple people the previous days. So this argument is a stinky pile of [censored], because that's what you did. Like I said in my post, you've given a reason you COULD vote for each person on that list. You weren't willing to do it "until you got more evidence". Which means, once enough people have voted for them so you can continue the bandwagon.