NL Bots on Full Tilt

[ianisakson]

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My friend pointed out to me that it looks like these guys are from Pittsburgh because of there screen names. I can tell you for a fact that I'm tied in to the underground poker world in Pittsburgh. In one of the Rooms I play in I heard a true story from a reliable source that there is a guy in Pittsburgh that a room full of computers and several people playing in 1/2 nl rooms. He pays them by the hour to play for him. He gives them a certain hands to play and not to play. Certain hands (like AA)they are never to fold unless they are three bet. Once they are three bet they signal him and he comes over and makes the decision for the player. This sounded a little fishy and I didn't believe him at first, but he insisted it was true and he told me who the guy was and I didn't know him. I didn't read the whole thread so I'm not sure if this applies. But I think this can explain why there are the same hands being played, AA never folding, etc etc. I did't think anything of it at the time because I was playing live and I'm not sure that's cheating. They don't use a bot but they are coached.

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Note that nlnut besides claiming not to be using bots, also is is claiming that the above isn't the situation. If it were, a site would likely consider that a violation of their T&C. Either way, this crew isn't being fully forthcoming, so something they are saying seems to be a lie, either overtly or by omission.

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I agree, if this guy is paying people by the hour to play out of his playbook, whats to stop anyone else from doing this? we all know something is wrong with this situation and since chuck won't say what he's doing I think full tilt should stop them from doing what they are doing until they come out with it.

[bobbyi]

I don't know if this thread is a bigger indictment of Full Tilt or full ring.

[Cry Me A River]

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of course, but we're talking about a huge sample size here. you're not going to see these aberrations when we're talking 300k hands.


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Of course we would. Particularly on later streets where sample size is much smaller.

For example, "Bet River" stats are as follows:

22 (538/2403)
23 (574/2497)
22 (411/1836)
22 (216/961)

If these are actually supposed to be four different guys, those are remarkably similar numbers and over not nearly so many hands. Nobody's play changed because they ran hot, or ran cold, or were playing with LAGs or were playing with rocks. They just played exactly the same.


Oh, and nice job avoiding my other questions.

So I'll ask them again:

1) How many players in this ring?
2) How many accounts?
3) Why did it take so long to adjust to the OP targetting them if they're discussing all these hands in real time?
4) Why do simple decisions take so long? Much longer than it takes real 12-tablers?

[tautomer]

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I think we need to give the guy a break now that his side has come out. Also, why is it that people arent trusting nation who a ctually knows him?

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Because he's a massive 1/2 full ring multitabler who just so happens to be friends with and lives near the guy accused of using a bot. Being extremely defensive doesn't help either.

[ianisakson]

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of course, but we're talking about a huge sample size here. you're not going to see these aberrations when we're talking 300k hands.


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Of course we would. Particularly on later streets where sample size is much smaller.

For example, "Bet River" stats are as follows:

22 (538/2403)
23 (574/2497)
22 (411/1836)
22 (216/961)

If these are actually supposed to be four different guys, those are remarkably similar numbers and over not nearly so many hands. Nobody's play changed because they ran hot, or ran cold, or were playing with LAGs or were playing with rocks. They just played exactly the same.


Oh, and nice job avoiding my other questions.

So I'll ask them again:

1) How many players in this ring?
2) How many accounts?
3) Why did it take so long to adjust to the OP targetting them if they're discussing all these hands in real time?
4) Why do simple decisions take so long? Much longer than it takes real 12-tablers?

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i honestly think that what we've stumbled across here is our first ever (discovered) poker farm where idiots are payed by the hour to play by the book (literally), this is probably why it takes them time to make each decision, because they have to look up how to play it.

[NOSUP4U]

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bluff,
c'mon, you know you agree with me. if a rule set exists that would generate these stats for a bot then a human (or group of humans) could execute it just as well (they're just using simple rules based on their own hand strength alone - pretty sure!).

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If you believe this, you just don't have any understanding of how humans work when confronted with the same task over hundreds of thousands of intervals.

Do you think that you could be EXACTLY the same as their stats over 100K hands if they gave you their bot rules? Its impossible that your human nature/poker tendencies wouldn't take over here and there, enough to skew the stats some. Plus, there are too many situations that come up post flop that would need to be addressed, I don't believe its as simple as you are saying.

Mark

[VanVeen]

these idiots are making more than 99% of posters on 2p2 using a rule set so simple that it probably only depends on the strength of their own hand.

[BrandonJoseph47]

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I think we need to give the guy a break now that his side has come out. Also, why is it that people arent trusting nation who a ctually knows him?

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Because he's a massive 1/2 full ring multitabler who just so happens to be friends with and lives near the guy accused of using a bot. Being extremely defensive doesn't help either.

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The glaring contradictions in this thread are simply amazing! If we join the same tables, we're colluting. If we don't, we're bots. If we try to defend ourselves, it's fishy. If not, it's fishy. Make up your minds! and nobody gets paid by the hour, by the way. Cheers.

[Thuey11]

I dont think they are bots, but i thought slavery was somewhat abolished? Guess not.

[MDMA]

VanVeen is my hero. (No, this is not sarcasm for once, he really is.)