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#711
10-31-2006, 05:16 PM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
What are you doing with the c2, we've got Rf2 it's not like white has to roll over an die and if you exchange down...
...qc6 21. Rf2 ( right away ? ) doesn't seem to great. Ng4 looks really strong, too many variations to list. 21. Bd2 ( free move as you say Bf4 has problems too) Qc2 22.QxQ RxQ 23. Rf2 we have pretty much established a rook on the 7th and his d pawn is not too easy to defend either. OK "refuted is too strong but it is hard to see how white retains any edge 
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#712
10-31-2006, 05:37 PM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He can even answer 19...Rc6 with 20.Bd2. [/ QUOTE ] ...and you're saying ...Qd5+ f3 Rc6 Bd2 and what's our line now? [/ QUOTE ] Rd8 is a possibility. [/ QUOTE ] ...Rd8 Rac1 Ra6 Rc2 Qd7 is not good for us. Rac1 h6 [creating luft, as they say] RxR QxRc6 Re1 is good for white. How about ...Rc6 Bd2 Rd6 looks better for us. He can play Qf3 or Qb5 but not to much effect. Bg5 does nothing either, we can create luft with ...h6 and simply recapture with the Rook if he exchanges. Qb5 we reply ...b6, which stops the threat and allows a possible later Qa8, and later moving the Re to 2bl up on the d-file.
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#713
10-31-2006, 06:22 PM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
I am starting to like 19...Ne4 as well, preparing 20..Qd5 and ...Rc3, doubling on the line with tempo. The lines with 20.Re1 Rc3
21.Qb5 a6 as suggested are very complex and unclear, perfect for a team game. Additionally, 19...Ne4 forces White to make some difficult decisions on move 20. However, the knight may be in the way on e4. Black may need to find a use for his pawns at some point to break thru (...h5-h5, or ...b5-b4 etc...)
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#715
10-31-2006, 10:57 PM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
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But 20.f3 opening the second rank is just an ugly move in an ending with 6 major pieces on the board. We should probably just avoid exchanges and stack on the d-file to keep all the rooks on in this case. [/ QUOTE ] Right, I think that's why f3 is not best not cause of dropping some at c2 that would exhcange down..
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#716
10-31-2006, 11:02 PM
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I'm still undecided between Qd5+ and Ne4. Rc6 and the others just don't seem purposeful enough to me. [/ QUOTE ] I agree it's pretty much a coin flip between the two. I'm not married to either and if one does not win the vote as long as the other does, I'll sleep fine.....
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#717
11-01-2006, 02:38 AM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
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I am starting to like 19...Ne4 as well, preparing 20..Qd5 and ...Rc3, doubling on the line with tempo. The lines with 20.Re1 Rc3 21.Qb5 a6 as suggested are very complex and unclear, perfect for a team game. Additionally, 19...Ne4 forces White to make some difficult decisions on move 20. However, the knight may be in the way on e4. Black may need to find a use for his pawns at some point to break thru (...h5-h5, or ...b5-b4 etc...) [/ QUOTE ] Im looking at this more and starting to like 19...Ne4. The Qd5+ lines don't seem to be going anywhere, and this Ne4 is very aggressive. 19...Ne4 20.Re1 Rc3 Qd1 also needs to be considered.
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#719
11-01-2006, 11:14 AM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
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[ QUOTE ] I am starting to like 19...Ne4 as well, preparing 20..Qd5 and ...Rc3, doubling on the line with tempo. The lines with 20.Re1 Rc3 21.Qb5 a6 as suggested are very complex and unclear, perfect for a team game. Additionally, 19...Ne4 forces White to make some difficult decisions on move 20. However, the knight may be in the way on e4. Black may need to find a use for his pawns at some point to break thru (...h5-h5, or ...b5-b4 etc...) [/ QUOTE ] Im looking at this more and starting to like 19...Ne4. The Qd5+ lines don't seem to be going anywhere, and this Ne4 is very aggressive. 19...Ne4 20.Re1 Rc3 Qd1 also needs to be considered. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I think this line is better for White. He is reorganizing his defences and can play Qf3 to block any later Qd5+ [the N is blocking that for now, of course.] Rc6 or as someone else mentioned ...Rc5 [his Queen is hanging so he cannot take] Bf4 Rd5 Rfe1 Rxd4 RxR NxR Qf3 Qd7 looks okay. or ...Rc5 Qf3 Rh5 attacking the K-side or ...Rd5 again. or ...Qd7 and force Greg to come up with a good move, preserving flexibility of Rd8, Qd5+, Nd5, Ne4, or Rc6.
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#720
11-01-2006, 11:37 AM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I am starting to like 19...Ne4 as well, preparing 20..Qd5 and ...Rc3, doubling on the line with tempo. The lines with 20.Re1 Rc3 21.Qb5 a6 as suggested are very complex and unclear, perfect for a team game. Additionally, 19...Ne4 forces White to make some difficult decisions on move 20. However, the knight may be in the way on e4. Black may need to find a use for his pawns at some point to break thru (...h5-h5, or ...b5-b4 etc...) [/ QUOTE ] Im looking at this more and starting to like 19...Ne4. The Qd5+ lines don't seem to be going anywhere, and this Ne4 is very aggressive. 19...Ne4 20.Re1 Rc3 Qd1 also needs to be considered. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I think this line is better for White. He is reorganizing his defences and can play Qf3 to block any later Qd5+ [the N is blocking that for now, of course.] [/ QUOTE ] if we have a rook on c3, whites Qf3 is no good for him, no?
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