I just played some 25nl full ring on party

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lol, this is great stuff. someone runs well in one session on NL25 and assumes that they can win every hand they play their. Dude...100PTBB/100 is not sustainable

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There is no reason to think FreakDaddy assumes 100ptbb/100 is sustainable.
He is an experienced player.
He is trying to make a point.

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In retrospect I regret this post.

BTW, I think 4_2_it has the image of the horse being beaten to death.

[Renton]

Ya even the best ring sharks couldn't maintain more than about 25bb/100 at 25nl.

[DumbRock]

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BTW, I think 4_2_it has the image of the horse being beaten to death.

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Found it.

[vulturesrow]

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BTW, I think 4_2_it has the image of the horse being beaten to death.

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Found it.

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Thank you.

[Renton]

also I don't know how you guys think that LAG play would thrive at 25nl. Being a LAG relies heavily on folding equity, of which you have none at 25nl with the loose/passive play.

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[FreakDaddy]

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Good lag play begins with a good dump...

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I read the whole session. You seemed to play pretty normal to me... You lost your stack trying to bluff early in the session. Stacked tptk with an overpair. Made a few positional raises. What did I miss? Calling that reraise OOP with 86o is bad, especially since you check/folded an all unders flop. I'm not trying to bash on you here, I'm sure you are a solid winner at 1/2. But I think a post like this gives the wrong impression of what constitutes good play. Lag != good necessarily, and the newer players will have a hard time distinguishing the two. Perhaps if you posted your PT database from when you crushed nl25 (before you moved up), it would help the new players a lot more.

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Isura - I think you've seen my post enough (I don't really know these new players on here), to know that I've generally tried to help the new players. The point that I'm trying to brag about beating nl25 for 100+ hands is absurd. I think we've all beaten a particular limit for a few hundred hands at an absurd clip. MY inital post was more of a personal thing for me, like realizing how much better you've become as a player AND as a post to say, you guys can kill this game.

Plain and simple, this is what you should learn from a session like this:

1) Make a nice dump early. The second hand, when I'm called on the turn, I KNOW he's calling for my remaining $9. Why do I do it? I'm showing that I'm going to the felt with air.
2) I'm chatting a lot in the channel. Why? To see who is paying attention and who isn't.
3) I'm raising a wide range of hands (primarily in position), but sometimes OOP and showing my hands. Why? I want to apply as much pressure as possible to my opponents and keep them guessing.
4) I'm folding some hands that I'd raise when there are early limpers. Why? Because you have to have a 'feel' for when players are trying to trap you. There are several examples of this on this table.
5) I'm not folding to a re-raise. Why? Like the 86 hand you mentioned, this would be a really BAD fold. If I'm going to raise a hand like that OOP, and someone re-raises me in position, I have to call if I want to continue to apply the pressure to my opponents. If I fold, I'm saying - go ahead and come over the top of me and I'll fold. By calling, even if I don't like it, I'm continuing to keep them guessing because they have nearly NO idea what I'm calling with. If I happen to hit two pair on that flop or something, I'm likely stacking off against his over pair.
6) I raised primarily to isolate the loosest & worst player at the table when I had position, and the action dictated that I could get the hand HU'S. Count how many times I did that. Otherwise I primarily folded when I wouldn't have position on him (not always though).
7) As a result of my play I got people to play their hands sub-optimally. Why? They didn't know how to make the correct adjustements against my hands.
8) I overbet the pot with weak and strong hands, and only showed my overbet bluffs. Why? Because I want to overbet when I have a strong hand and have them think I'm bluffing in order to pay off my good hands.
9) I got otherwise weak/passive players to stack off against me with very marginal hands, such as the last hand example where a 14/2/0 player raised me with his pair of tens and called off his stack against my straight. There's no way in heck he is doing this against any other player.
10) The culmination of ALL my plays led to the final result. If you don't understand, I can explain further.

[FreakDaddy]

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What are we supposed to learn from this session? How to be a luckbox?

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Yes, I'm extremely lucky and that's about it.

Plain and simple, this is what you should learn from a session like this:

1) Make a nice dump early. The second hand, when I'm called on the turn, I KNOW he's calling for my remaining $9. Why do I do it? I'm showing that I'm going to the felt with air.
2) I'm chatting a lot in the channel. Why? To see who is paying attention and who isn't.
3) I'm raising a wide range of hands (primarily in position), but sometimes OOP and showing mt hands. Why? I want to apply as much pressure as possible to my opponents and keep them guessing.
4) I'm folding some hands that I'dm raise when there are early limpers. Why? Because you have to have a 'feel' for when players are trying to trap you. There are several examples of this on this table.
5) I'm not folding to a re-raise. Why? Like the 86 hand you mentioned, this would be a really BAD fold. If I'm going to raise a hand like that OOP, and someone re-raises me in position, I have to call if I want to continue to apply the pressure to my opponents. If I fold, I'm saying - go ahead and come over the top of me and I'll fold. By calling, even if I don't like it, I'm continuing to keep them guessing because they have nearly NO idea what I'm calling with. If I happen to hit two pair on that flop or something, I'm likely stacking off against his over pair.
6) I raised primarily to isolate the loosest & worst player at the table when I had position, and the action dictated that I could get the hand HU'S. Count how many times I did that. Otherwise I primarily folded when I wouldn't have position on him (not always though).
7) As a result of my play I got people to play their hands sub-optimally. Why? They didn't know how to make the correct adjustements against my hands.
8) I overbet the pot with weak and strong hands, and only showed my overbet bluffs. Why? Because I want to overbet when I have a strong hand and have them think I'm bluffing in order to pay off my good hands.
9) I got otherwise weak/passive players to stack off against me with very marginal hands, such as the last hand example where a 14/2/0 player raised me with his pair of tens and called off his stack against my straight. There's no way in heck he is doing this against any other player.
10) The culmination of ALL my plays led to the final result. If you don't understand, I can explain further.

[vulturesrow]

Freak,

This is better than your original post by several orders of magnitude. I appreciate your intent in posting the hand and it was great that you posted the session as well. I think perhaps you came off the wrong way to some people. But posting your reasoning is much more conducive to actual discussion.

[FreakDaddy]

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Nice brag post with a 130 hand 'session.' That's what, about an hour of play total? I also play NL $200 and NL $100 and wouldn't dream that I could beat NL $25 to the tune of 20/PTBB/100 over 50k or more hands.

My first 3k hands of NL $200, I made close to $2800 or about 23 PTBB/100. That's the hottest I've ever run. I was getting hit with the deck.

I am glad that you did well, but don't make crazy statements after playing 130 hands. Now, if you have charts on running 18PTBB over 40k hands, those would be stats that many of us would be interested in learning something from.

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I hope you are kidding. I'm actually dumbfounded that you guys think this is a brag post. At least I'm amazed that the "regulars" think so. If I were going to brag, there are many other things I could brag about than beating 25nl for 100+ hands. Really, come on.

Have you ever had the experience of moving down in limits and going... wow, this game is amazingly easy?

Do you really want my 25nl charts? I will post them, but I'm not sure there's much point. I did beat this level for over 18PTBB/100 for over 40K hands. What is me posting that going to do for you? And actually I think I have posted my graph here before now that I think about it.