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11-02-2007, 01:16 AM
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Re: My reservations regarding Ron Paul...
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[ QUOTE ] If he advocated universal healthcare he'd probably get a few more votes too. I don't agree with the stance that he's taken on abortion either, btw. [/ QUOTE ] So you support using force to make people follow one group's moral views? [/ QUOTE ] If the moral views represented the democratic opinion of the majority of the populace then sure alot of people (though admittedly not I) can easily answer yes. It would appear Ron Paul would rather Bill Gates et al have more say. 
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#62
11-02-2007, 01:18 AM
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Re: My reservations regarding Ron Paul...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If he advocated universal healthcare he'd probably get a few more votes too. I don't agree with the stance that he's taken on abortion either, btw. [/ QUOTE ] So you support using force to make people follow one group's moral views? [/ QUOTE ] If the moral views represented the democratic opinion of the majority of the populace then sure alot of people (though admittedly not I) can easily answer yes. It would appear Ron Paul would rather Bill Gates et al have more say. [/ QUOTE ] So... you agree with Ron Paul then randomly attack him for something unrelated and irrelevant? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#63
11-02-2007, 01:27 AM
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Re: My reservations regarding Ron Paul...
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[ QUOTE ] If abortion was illegal in your state, and you went to another state to have one, would that be considered illegal? [/ QUOTE ] This was my question too. I would guess no since there wouldn't be a federal law against it, and "crossing state lines to commit a crime" wouldn't work since the act wasn't a crime in both states. [/ QUOTE ] I know it's illegal to go up into Georgia and bring back certain amounts of cigarettes. Is that a state or federal law?
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#64
11-02-2007, 01:43 AM
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Re: My reservations regarding Ron Paul...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't understand what your problem is here. Currently, we have two moral view points and one of those is being violently forced on the populace by the federal government. Paul wants to change it so that the states can decide which moral view point to force on their populace [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Not disagreeing, but since one moral view is going to be forced in the populace either way, it's better for the states to decide which one is more suitable for them. [/ QUOTE ] Slavery is inevitable so lets try to get the beatings down to three a week. [/ QUOTE ] Please describe to me a realistic situation where one side of the abortion issue isn't being oppressed. [/ QUOTE ] I don't understand this. How is allowing abortion oppressing anyone? Unless you consider not allowing a group of people to oppress another group as oppression.
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#65
11-02-2007, 01:45 AM
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Re: My reservations regarding Ron Paul...
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To me it seems the difference is that his opposition to government-funded health care falls in line perfectly with the rest of his platform. The abortion issue seems out of place to me, but please no long-winded explanations of why the rights of a fetus trump those of the mother. Either position is easily argued. What I'm interested in is thoughts of how this affects his electability as well as possible refinement of my understanding of his plans on this matter if elected. [/ QUOTE ] His electability in the general election? It has no effect because he has 0% chance. His electability in the primaries? It has no effect because primary voters know he has no chance in the general. 55% Giuliani 45% Romney 0% anyone else G and R could flip based on early showings, but I still think primary voters will be too concerned about the electability of a Mormon for him to win. If Romney would take 2d on a ticket with Giuliani I think that ticket would be brokered through. I dont know that any Veep nominee has strong enough home support to swing the general in their state, so Veep needs to be chosen on platform primarily. Romney and Giuliani are pretty consistent in their platforms and the combo may actually look more conservative than either one individually.
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#66
11-02-2007, 02:16 AM
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Re: My reservations regarding Ron Paul...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't understand what your problem is here. Currently, we have two moral view points and one of those is being violently forced on the populace by the federal government. Paul wants to change it so that the states can decide which moral view point to force on their populace [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Not disagreeing, but since one moral view is going to be forced in the populace either way, it's better for the states to decide which one is more suitable for them. [/ QUOTE ] Slavery is inevitable so lets try to get the beatings down to three a week. [/ QUOTE ] Please describe to me a realistic situation where one side of the abortion issue isn't being oppressed. [/ QUOTE ] I don't understand this. How is allowing abortion oppressing anyone? Unless you consider not allowing a group of people to oppress another group as oppression. [/ QUOTE ] Only in cases where the "oppression" isn't clear-cut black and white, like abortion. If the majority of a local community believes that abortion is murder, preventing them from "doing something about it" is no different than if the federal government intervened and told local communities that they couldn't stop people from killing children ages 0-10. The current stance of the federal government is not "allowing abortion," it's forcing their moral views on abortion on those who have different ones. If you're a liberal Democrat, imposing your morals on people like this is par for the course, but any libertarian/ACist should be against it.
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#67
11-02-2007, 12:56 PM
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Re: My reservations regarding Ron Paul...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If abortion was illegal in your state, and you went to another state to have one, would that be considered illegal? [/ QUOTE ] This was my question too. I would guess no since there wouldn't be a federal law against it, and "crossing state lines to commit a crime" wouldn't work since the act wasn't a crime in both states. [/ QUOTE ] I know it's illegal to go up into Georgia and bring back certain amounts of cigarettes. Is that a state or federal law? [/ QUOTE ] Likely federal since it's dealing with interstate commerce.
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#68
11-02-2007, 08:25 PM
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Re: My reservations regarding Ron Paul...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't understand what your problem is here. Currently, we have two moral view points and one of those is being violently forced on the populace by the federal government. Paul wants to change it so that the states can decide which moral view point to force on their populace [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Not disagreeing, but since one moral view is going to be forced in the populace either way, it's better for the states to decide which one is more suitable for them. [/ QUOTE ] Slavery is inevitable so lets try to get the beatings down to three a week. [/ QUOTE ] I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why you're attacking me for supporting the AC position on this.
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#69
11-02-2007, 09:18 PM
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Re: My reservations regarding Ron Paul...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't understand what your problem is here. Currently, we have two moral view points and one of those is being violently forced on the populace by the federal government. Paul wants to change it so that the states can decide which moral view point to force on their populace [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Not disagreeing, but since one moral view is going to be forced in the populace either way, it's better for the states to decide which one is more suitable for them. [/ QUOTE ] Slavery is inevitable so lets try to get the beatings down to three a week. [/ QUOTE ] I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why you're attacking me for supporting the AC position on this. [/ QUOTE ] You aren't supporting the AC position. The AC position has no enforcement. You are saying to let the states decide instead of the fed.
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11-02-2007, 09:21 PM
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Re: My reservations regarding Ron Paul...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If abortion was illegal in your state, and you went to another state to have one, would that be considered illegal? [/ QUOTE ] This was my question too. I would guess no since there wouldn't be a federal law against it, and "crossing state lines to commit a crime" wouldn't work since the act wasn't a crime in both states. [/ QUOTE ] I know it's illegal to go up into Georgia and bring back certain amounts of cigarettes. Is that a state or federal law? [/ QUOTE ] That is probably actually against the law in the state you're bringing them back to. The reason for that law is that different states tax cigarettes different ways. For example, cigarettes are a good deal higher in NY than they are in many other parts of the country, so people would go to states with much lower taxes and buy truckloads of cartons of wholesale cigarettes and sell them in NY, thereby dodging "sin taxes".
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